Originally posted by Stanfordian
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Kirill Petrenko. Who...?
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It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostI was reading a short biography of Toscanini that pointed out until he was pointed Conductor of the NBC orchestra, the vast amount of conducting that he had done was in the Opera Pit, and there were some criticisms that he was not sufficently experienced in the core Austro German Music.
That was Toscanini then, this is Kirill Petrenko now!
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Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostHiya ER,
Programming repertoire will be a most difficult time for KP. Surely KP won't last long if he consistently programmes what the orchestra doesn't rate. I'm sure the Berlin audiance will continue to demand a number of its much loved traditional Austro/German repertoire. For example I don't know how well KP conducts Bruckner, Mahler, Brahms and Richard Strauss for example? I see this appointment as a very risky one for the orchestra but I hope it works out for him.
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Though born in Moscow, Hans Pfizner considered himself a Frankfurter (he lived there from the age of 2). Kirill Petrenko has recorded Pfizner's Palestrina, so he is not that unfamiliar with the Germanic musical tradition.
If tempted, best to download from QOBUZ in lossless format (with downloadable libretto, etc) for around £12.80, rather than in lossy mp3 format (no libretto, etc.) for £18.99 from amazon.co.uk.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostWell, they chose him …
An outsider might conclude that the orchestra members themselves fancied a change from concerts dominated by the Austro-German classics?
I'd have very mixed personal feelings about that but I honestly cannot see any other reason for this appointment?
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Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostHiya makropulos,
Kirill Petrenko will not have chosen to play Rudi Stefan's music with the Berliner Philharmoniker the programme will have been selected for him. I am wondering what it is about the potential of KPs appointment that you find exciting?
Try going in at about 6'00...
In conversation with Philharmoniker clarinettist Alexander Bader, Kirill Petrenko discusses the programme for his third appearance with the Berliner Philharmoniker in December 2012, which included works by Stravinsky, Scriabin and Rudi Stephan.
(Even better - if the three marvellous CPO Suk albums (or the Pfitzner) don't appeal, cough up the €9.90 and listen to the concert yourself..!)
Shame people don't look back at earlier comments, but - one more time: it's possible that the Philharmoniker had mixed feelings about "imported stars" for chief conductor after Rattle and Abbado, and wanted someone to form a warmer, closer bond with, cf. Kempe/Staatskapelle, Kubelik/BRSO or even - CBSO/Rattle...
They can renew their own repertoire, yes, but also their own response to - Bruckner, Brahms, Beethoven etc... they can learn and grow with someone who precisely hasn't been ploughing through all that in the studio or concert hall before. As for great conductors learning their trade in the opera pit, there are too many to mention, Klemperer and Karajan among them. It is the classic route really, now largely forgotten...Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 24-06-15, 18:54.
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostThat's an odd comment Stanf. - as KP makes clear in this interview, he most certainly chose this very unusual programme himself!
Try going in at about 6'00...
In conversation with Philharmoniker clarinettist Alexander Bader, Kirill Petrenko discusses the programme for his third appearance with the Berliner Philharmoniker in December 2012, which included works by Stravinsky, Scriabin and Rudi Stephan.
(Even better - if the three marvellous CPO Suk albums (or the Pfitzner) don't appeal, cough up the €9.90 and listen to the concert yourself..!)
Shame people don't look back at earlier comments, but - one more time: it's possible that the Philharmoniker had mixed feelings about "imported stars" for chief conductor after Rattle and Abbado, and wanted someone to form a warmer, closer bond with, cf. Kempe/Staatskapelle, Kubelik/BRSO or even - CBSO/Rattle...
They can renew their own repertoire, yes, but also their own response to - Bruckner, Brahms, Beethoven etc... they can learn and grow with someone who precisely hasn't been ploughing through all that in the studio or concert hall before. As for great conductors learning their trade in the opera pit, there are too many to mention, Klemperer and Karajan among them. It is the classic route really, now largely forgotten...
I am unable to find the KP Asreal on Amazon.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostI am unable to find the KP Asreal on Amazon.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
Worth waiting for a re-issue, I would think. His forthcoming role is bound to generate much interest in what he has committed to disc so far.
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Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostHiya makropulos,
Kirill Petrenko will not have chosen to play Rudi Stefan's music with the Berliner Philharmoniker the programme will have been selected for him. I am wondering what it is about the potential of KPs appointment that you find exciting?
Why am I excited? Because the music I've heard him conduct has been impressively and imaginatively done - whether it's Wagner, Elgar, Janacek, Suk, Zimmermann or Mahler. I think he's a really interesting conductor who also has a creative approach to programming as well as being a tremendous musician (on the evidence of what I've heard).
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slarty
Quite a lot of diverse orchestral repertoire from him is available on youtube (including some Suk, but not Asrael)
It is worth checking out.
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