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  • Richard Tarleton

    #61
    Originally posted by Simon Biazeck View Post
    I thought they were going to award the singer who did the best on the night - that could not be Koutcher. She clearly has a fine voice, but under pressure, it didn't stand up. Perhaps they felt Jongmin wasn't a bass at all, and that Enkhbat wasn't ready for an international career... (I don't agree!), but who knows. In the end, they sang her off the stage! Even the young tenor with his occasionally "hurled" open onset high notes gave a far more even and engaging performance. Anyway, these panels have previous in the respect. It was an opera status quo decision, and as such, probably represents a lot that is wrong with opera.
    Fascinating stuff Simon. By "previous", how far back are you going? Sutherland, Horne and Cotrubas were all pretty demanding on the technical front when they were on the CSOTW jury, I wonder what their verdicts would have been? They used to do masterclasses during the competition as well, which were televised, giving us deeper insights.

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    • gradus
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 5607

      #62
      The audience picked the real winner imv, Mr Enkhbat was in a class of his own. The others were all very good indeed but not as good as him.

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      • jean
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7100

        #63
        Anyone got a link? I didn't listen much and I missed him.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26536

          #64
          The only performance I came close to enjoying was the eventual winner when she sang a Rachmaninov aria from Francesca, but that was mainly due to discovering the piece.

          I found what I heard of the Song prize performances especially unimpressive. I thought different singers tended to progress in that part of the competition? It was more or less the same gang as the opera singers, wasn't it?
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22120

            #65
            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
            opera status quo decision'
            From the Queen of the Night to Ice in the Sun. In Search of the Fourth Chord The Opera!

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            • peterkin
              Full Member
              • Jun 2015
              • 33

              #66
              Originally posted by mercia View Post
              lowering the tone somewhat (blame Petroc) - any suggestions for the identity of the "tattoo of a Beethoven score" apparently on the winner's leg ???
              Battle Symphony?

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              • Simon Biazeck

                #67
                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                Simon
                Very interesting notions. Can you elucidate a bit on 'opera status quo decision' and why last night's decision IYO was wrong?
                I doubt it, but I can certainly muddy the waters further!

                Opera as dressage - beautiful, perfect, prancing horses. I deplore it. Although, of course, as a professional opera singer I can appreciate the sheer technical brilliance of a performance, provided it has some emotional depth. With Jongmin Park and Amartuvshin Enkhbat we had that depth provided in truck loads, and by different means; very old school in the former case, and honest engagement with the text and solid technique from the former, whether or not he is actually a bass. Enkhbat's stage presence was one dimensional, certainly, but the voice wasn't and its deployment was anything but - one in a million! When Koutcher won we saw the emotion, and as I have said, her voice is very fine, but was not, under pressure, technically perfect last night. The last note of the Bell aria (ridiculous nonsense for my taste), and less than accurate coloratura in the Mozart being the sore points.

                They will all have brilliant careers - they have earned it, and I understand the final decision was a difficult one to make with possible reservations about experience and fach, but I really feel it was the wrong one.

                Having said all that - very exciting, inspiring and challenging!

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                • Simon Biazeck

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                  Fascinating stuff Simon. By "previous", how far back are you going? Sutherland, Horne and Cotrubas were all pretty demanding on the technical front when they were on the CSOTW jury, I wonder what their verdicts would have been? They used to do masterclasses during the competition as well, which were televised, giving us deeper insights.
                  As I read it again, it is a little strong! I agree, Sutherland et al would not have let the technical deficiencies pass. I sang a Mozart Req. solo in front of Sutherland some time ago in the Sydney Opera House Concert Hall, and she was quite candid with her comments, which were surprisingly complimentary, but straight to the point!

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                  • LHC
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1557

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Simon Biazeck View Post
                    I thought they were going to award the singer who did the best on the night - that could not be Koutcher. She clearly has a fine voice, but under pressure, it didn't stand up. Perhaps they felt Jongmin wasn't a bass at all, and that Enkhbat wasn't ready for an international career... (I don't agree!), but who knows. In the end, they sang her off the stage! Even the young tenor with his occasionally "hurled" open onset high notes gave a far more even and engaging performance. Anyway, these panels have previous in the respect. It was an opera status quo decision, and as such, probably represents a lot that is wrong with opera.
                    It's not the first time the Cardiff Jury have chosen an unexceptional but polished singer over a more talented, but perhaps less polished (or more niche) alternative.

                    In 2009, the Jury chose an attractive Russian soprano, Ekaterina Shcherbachenko, who had already sung major roles at the Bolshoi. She was generally tasetful and certainly marketable, although notably came to grief with her attempt at Anne Trulove's aria from the Rake's Progress. However, the best singer in the competition and on the night was a countertenor, Yuriy Minenko, who sang exquisitely (and with much greater technical prowess).

                    It was rumoured afterwards that he didn't win because some members of the Jury thought his voice type and repertoire were too specialised, and that the decision had split the Jury. At least one member was said to be furious about the decision.
                    "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                    Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #70
                      As R3 keeps on telling us, Classical Voices are in Season. Perhaps time to Pick Your Own?
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • Simon Biazeck

                        #71
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        As R3 keeps on telling us, Classical Voices are in Season. Perhaps time to Pick Your Own?
                        The Cardiff audience certainly did, and they made the right choice, in my view!

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30286

                          #72
                          Originally posted by peterkin View Post
                          Battle Symphony?
                          Better not suggest the Cats' Duet - or Duel. Welcome to the forum, peterkin
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • LeMartinPecheur
                            Full Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4717

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Simon Biazeck View Post
                            With Jongmin Park and Amartuvshin Enkhbat we had that depth provided in truck loads, and by different means; very old school in the former case, and honest engagement with the text and solid technique from the former, whether or not he is actually a bass. Enkhbat's stage presence was one dimensional, certainly, but the voice wasn't and its deployment was anything but - one in a million!
                            What worried me about Enkhbat was that his stage presence, in the final at least, was zero-dimesional! He was addressing the Evening Star: did he seem to be singing in any particular direction where it was shining from? No! Most of the time he had his eyes shut - a superb way to fail to draw in an audience.

                            OK. I think we were told he had learned his arias for the final in a hurry, but such a lack of physical imagination and projection! The same went for the other arias, especially the Ballo one where he was addressing a new enemy (whether in the flesh or his imagination I'd need to check). Did he persuade us that such a figure was vividly present to himself? Not at all.

                            I really wasn't at all sure that he knew the first thing about acting, and that really is important! (IMHO anyway, unless he's just going to do broadcasts and CDs...)
                            I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                            • gurnemanz
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7387

                              #74
                              My feelings were similar to Chris Maltman's when asked in his BBC pundit's chair who he thought was going to win - something like, I'd love it to be Nadine Koutcher, but I think it will be Artuvshin Enkhbat. For me, Nadine didn't fully convince but she had something special which the jury must also have noted. I may have been irrationally swayed by her choice of Marfa's dream from Tsar's Bride which I have a massive soft spot for. I loved it when she was genuinely gob-smacked to win. In general, I preferred the Song Prize section without all the pizazz and daft interviews.

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                              • Simon Biazeck

                                #75
                                Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                                What worried me about Enkhbat was that his stage presence, in the final at least, was zero-dimesional! He was addressing the Evening Star: did he seem to be singing in any particular direction where it was shining from? No! Most of the time he had his eyes shut - a superb way to fail to draw in an audience.

                                OK. I think we were told he had learned his arias for the final in a hurry, but such a lack of physical imagination and projection! The same went for the other arias, especially the Ballo one where he was addressing a new enemy (whether in the flesh or his imagination I'd need to check). Did he persuade us that such a figure was vividly present to himself? Not at all.

                                I really wasn't at all sure that he knew the first thing about acting, and that really is important! (IMHO anyway, unless he's just going to do broadcasts and CDs...)
                                Thankfully, it's still the voice that matters in opera casting, so his (apparent) lack of aptitude on that front will not prevent him getting work in A houses, where he will get the best (or worst!) coaching for his acting. Real Verdi baritones are gold dust and only a fool would avoid him. He drew in the audience, and was awarded their special vote, because they recognize a great voice when they hear it... LIVE!

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