Originally posted by french frank
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Spare me another newsreader given privileged access to programming
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Originally posted by Davout View PostThe latest is Clive Myrie and his Christmas music specials. I’m sure Mr.Myrie is a very pleasant individual, and after all it does does take a lot of effort reading text off an auto cue, but for a Radio 3 audience this is one dumbing down step too far.
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I think that might stretch the criteria for choosing presenters for Radio 3 quite a bit: i.e. it's for the presenter's benefit. I have this feeling that jazz tends to get jazz specialists to present, world/folk music gets world/folk specialists. Only classical music gets 'names'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Retune View PostClive Myrie is a serious journalist, who has reported from scores of countries as a foreign correspondent, has put his life on the line in war zones including Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and was recently very lucky to escape worse when involved in an armoured vehicle crash in Ukraine that left one of his colleagues unconscious for weeks with permanent brain injuries. If the BBC wants to invite him to play a few records over the festive season in slots that would be devoted to popular repertoire anyway (his first programme has some interesting choices), then good luck to him. Merry Christmas!
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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostI also think he is resilient enough not to be too worried about criticism of his music choice.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Retune View PostClive Myrie is a serious journalist, who has reported from scores of countries as a foreign correspondent, has put his life on the line in war zones including Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and was recently very lucky to escape worse when involved in an armoured vehicle crash in Ukraine that left one of his colleagues unconscious for weeks with permanent brain injuries. If the BBC wants to invite him to play a few records over the festive season in slots that would be devoted to popular repertoire anyway (his first programme has some interesting choices), then good luck to him. Merry Christmas!slots that would be devoted to popular repertoire anyway
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI think that might stretch the criteria for choosing presenters for Radio 3 quite a bit: i.e. it's for the presenter's benefit. I have this feeling that jazz tends to get jazz specialists to present, world/folk music gets world/folk specialists. Only classical music gets 'names'
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Perhaps bringing an audience to R3 would be better served if these shows appeared on Radio 1 or those other BBC youth channels, so that our potential audiences were exposed without having to find our little ghetto.
Perhaps a classical evening at Glasto rather than the Proms having to accommodate popular themed evenings? Take Mohammed to the mountain.
The traffic seems to be one way with the Beeb.
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Originally posted by Aotearoa View PostPerhaps bringing an audience to R3 would be better served if these shows appeared on Radio 1 or those other BBC youth channels, so that our potential audiences were exposed without having to find our little ghetto.
Perhaps a classical evening at Glasto rather than the Proms having to accommodate popular themed evenings? Take Mohammed to the mountain.
The traffic seems to be one way with the Beeb.
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Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
Well you would think so, and it's a perennial plaint on here, but Aunty seems convinced that her way is the only way...
Christopher Hogwood's The Young Idea ran for 10 years, but I gained the impression that it usually had difficulty attracting responses from listeners. If memory serves, much of one of the later episodes was devoted to The Return Of The Giant Hogweed.
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Yes, I think there's no easy answer. I've been cynical about attempts to popularise classical music, but I have to remember there are people there who are trying hard to do their best to encourage new listeners. There's BBC4 and SkyArts with wall-to-wall pop, programme after programme, in the evenings, and classical gets a brief rare look-in sometimes. The people who chose Clive Myrie probably have the financial tough guys at their back saying, in effect, 'if you want the money to broadcast classical you've got to convince us you're doing something to justify it.'
Those who know and love classical music know that such satisfaction comes from long patient listening to whole works, giving them time to soak in, rather than dressing it up as pop. How to encourage that is the problem. I'm sure it won't come from coy childish chumminess at the microphone. We had a glimpse of how it used to be done with Gerald Moore's friendly but informative introductions to the Joan Sutherland and Victoria de los Angeles items recently repeated. I can't begin to imagine what would interest young people today. But there are a lot of young people who do love and care for classical music. Maybe they should be given more TV time to show their peers in the audience how rewarding it is.
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Originally posted by smittims View PostYes, I think there's no easy answer. I've been cynical about attempts to popularise classical music, but I have to remember there are people there who are trying hard to do their best to encourage new listeners. There's BBC4 and SkyArts with wall-to-wall pop, programme after programme, in the evenings, and classical gets a brief rare look-in sometimes. The people who chose Clive Myrie probably have the financial tough guys at their back saying, in effect, 'if you want the money to broadcast classical you've got to convince us you're doing something to justify it.'
Those who know and love classical music know that such satisfaction comes from long patient listening to whole works, giving them time to soak in, rather than dressing it up as pop. How to encourage that is the problem. I'm sure it won't come from coy childish chumminess at the microphone. We had a glimpse of how it used to be done with Gerald Moore's friendly but informative introductions to the Joan Sutherland and Victoria de los Angeles items recently repeated. I can't begin to imagine what would interest young people today. But there are a lot of young people who do love and care for classical music. Maybe they should be given more TV time to show their peers in the audience how rewarding it is.
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Originally posted by LMcD View Post
The other night, I decided to re-watch Ken Russell's 1962 Monitor film about Elgar. If asked to name a single experience that encouraged me to investigate the world of classical music (I was 18 when I first saw it) that's the one I would pick. A little time later, I heard the 2nd symphony for the first time - possibly on Radio 2 or 4? - and then discovered Sibelius 2. My musical journey was underway, and continues to this day. The only recent example of a similar TV programme that comes to mind is the one (recently repeated) on BBC4 about Holst and Vaughan Williams.
My other thought is that there are no classical music presenters around these days who get within a mile of Lenny’s tv presenting abilities and his deep knowledge - he really was a once in a lifetime all round talent.
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