Daniel Harding appointed new chief conductor by the Orchestre de Paris

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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    Daniel Harding appointed new chief conductor by the Orchestre de Paris

    Sounds from this as if Stormin' Norman broke it to the French media

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

  • pastoralguy
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    • Nov 2010
    • 7759

    #2
    Mediocrity is everywhere...

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    • Zucchini
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      • Nov 2010
      • 917

      #3
      Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
      Mediocrity is everywhere...
      Don't agree. If you've been an assistant to Abbado you're unlikely to be mediocre. I think he's extremely talented and I'd have been delighted if he had been Nelsons' successor at the CBSO.

      I'm particularly impressed by his often brilliant partnerships with even the mightiest of soloists - IMO one of the best in the business. An exciting appointment - the O de P is often sounding great these days.

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      • pastoralguy
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
        Don't agree. If you've been an assistant to Abbado you're unlikely to be mediocre. I think he's extremely talented and I'd have been delighted if he had been Nelsons' successor at the CBSO.

        I'm particularly impressed by his often brilliant partnerships with even the mightiest of soloists - IMO one of the best in the business. An exciting appointment - the O de P is often sounding great these days.
        Have it your own way, vicar.

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        • Hornspieler
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          • Sep 2012
          • 1847

          #5
          Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
          Have it your own way, vicar.
          Why don't you all have your own way and stop the needless sniping on this forum?

          I'm getting fed up with it.

          HS

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          • pastoralguy
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
            Why don't you all have your own way and stop the needless sniping on this forum?

            I'm getting fed up with it.

            HS

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            • french frank
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              • Feb 2007
              • 30301

              #7
              Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
              Mediocrity is everywhere.
              Yes, in some quite impressive places, actually: Vienna, Berlin, Leipzig, Amsterdam … However, judging by Noman's blog, he does appear to divide opinion. The other quote Caliban gave described his performance with the Paris lot as a 'concert triomphal'. I don't imagine it was just the march from Aida …
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • pastoralguy
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                Perhaps I should have given rational for my comment.

                I've heard him three times with the LSO and each time was disappointing. The first occasion in Bruckner's sixth symphony, where, imho, he managed to make the orchestra sound very second rate. The brass were encour aged to play as loudly as possible, the timpanist sounded as if he had foresaken sticks for a couple of half bricks, and Harding appeared to be more concerned with striking poses than bringing players in. (He waved at the 'cellos at one point, causing the principles to raise his shoulders in the time honoured 'not yet guys - just follow me). In all fairness, he conduct a good Bartok second concerto with Lang Lang.

                The other two concerts were works where he simply skimmed over the top.

                However, for me, his greatest crime was the Dvorak 'cello concerto with Isserlis where the result sounded as if he hadn't bothered to open the score before the sessions.

                Now I admit this is only my opinion but I feel my opinions are just as valid as anyone else's here.

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                • Roehre

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                  Why don't you all have your own way and stop the needless sniping on this forum?

                  I'm getting fed up with it.

                  HS

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6459

                    #10
                    I trust your opinions Mr Pastoralguy. No venom in your postings either.

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                    • jayne lee wilson
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                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      #11
                      http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/d...oogle.co.uk%2F

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                      • pastoralguy
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #12
                        Ok, but I can only comment on MY personal response to the recording. And the Dvorak 'cello concerto is nothing if not a personal work...

                        (And since when did we always agree with critics...?)

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                        • Barbirollians
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          He strikes me as inconsistent . His accompaniment to the Pires Beethoven 3 and 4 for example is much more involved and interesting than the Dvorak Cello Concerto where I was just as disappointed as PG . Play the Wallfisch/Mackerras to see how it should be conducted !

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                          • jayne lee wilson
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                            • Jul 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                            Ok, but I can only comment on MY personal response to the recording. And the Dvorak 'cello concerto is nothing if not a personal work...

                            (And since when did we always agree with critics...?)
                            The critical consensus was pretty positive...!

                            http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA67917 - click on "reviews"...

                            I would just prefer some musical ​comments, rather than "didn't bother to look at the score" etc.... or at least, respect the commitment of the artists to the recording of such unusual material.... they'd scarcely bother to do that without close study.

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                            • pastoralguy
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #15
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                              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                              The critical consensus was pretty positive...!

                              http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA67917 - click on "reviews"...

                              I would just prefer some musical ​comments, rather than "didn't bother to look at the score" etc.... or at least, respect the commitment of the artists to the recording of such unusual material.... they'd scarcely bother to do that without close study.
                              Ok. I'll do it tomorrow. It's a bit late tonight.

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