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  • Pabmusic
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    • May 2011
    • 5537

    #31
    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    Obviously, it's all relative to the listener, but generally speaking, Feldman is definitely off the beaten track...
    No, Beefy. 'Off the beaten track' is not relative to the listener. It implies (surely) a place where few go (Cambridge dictionary). By no stretch of the imagination could Morton Feldman be considered anything but - unless one's talking solely of [insert whatever genre he belongs to] of course.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #32
      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
      For example, have a look through the "what are you listening to now" thread and the general discussion in this forum, BBC R3 playlists, CFM and the annual Proms concerts, and you've got the beaten track.
      Too true, alas. I'm spoilt - I live near Huddersfield (smug mode) - Graham Mackenzie (the director of the Contemporary Music Festival) is a fellow enthusiast and some of the recordings in Bryn's list were recorded at performances I went to. But the Music is shamefully neglected on R3, possibly because it doesn't "fit the scheduling"? The five-and-a-half hours of For Philip Guston would be perfect for Through the Night.
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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #33
        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
        No, Beefy. 'Off the beaten track' is not relative to the listener. It implies (surely) a place where few go (Cambridge dictionary). By no stretch of the imagination could Morton Feldman be considered anything but - unless one's talking solely of [insert whatever genre he belongs to] of course.
        In the sense that we all have individual beaten paths through music. I interpreted MrGG and Bryn as responding according to theirs.

        But technically, you are right if you take a dictionary type definition (which I guess is the appropriate approach).

        Either way, Feldman is definitely off the beaten track. Agreed!

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        • Beef Oven!
          Ex-member
          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          #34
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Too true, alas. I'm spoilt - I live near Huddersfield (smug mode) - Graham Mackenzie (the director of the Contemporary Music Festival) is a fellow enthusiast and some of the recordings in Bryn's list were recorded at performances I went to.
          A good reminder that we Londoners don't have it all on our doorstep!

          But the Music is shamefully neglected on R3, possibly because it doesn't "fit the scheduling"? The five-and-a-half hours of For Philip Guston would be perfect for Through the Night.
          As would Feldman's String Quartet #2


          Are we asking too much of programmers and listeners?

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #35
            Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
            By no stretch of the imagination could Morton Feldman be considered anything but - unless one's talking solely of [insert whatever genre he belongs to] of course.
            Judging by the number of road works throughout its length every November, the A629 has been beaten within an inch of its life!

            (Eighty-five minutes to travel twenty-three miles!!!!! )
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            • Pabmusic
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              • May 2011
              • 5537

              #36
              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              In the sense that we all have individual beaten paths through music. I interpreted MrGG and Bryn as responding according to theirs...
              We all have individual tastes (or peccadillos, or...). But if we all have beaten tracks, then the expression loses any meaning, surely. What's the difference between an individual beaten track and - say - a preference, or a taste?

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              • Beef Oven!
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                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #37
                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                What's the difference between an individual beaten track and - say - a preference, or a taste?
                Nothing much, it's the 'practise' of that preference/taste

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                • Pabmusic
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                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #38
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  Judging by the number of road works throughout its length every November, the A629 has been beaten within an inch of its life!

                  (Eighty-five minutes to travel twenty-three miles!!!!! )
                  I'm not entirely sure that I've ever travelled on the A629. [Consults Google. Huddersfield! Probably not, then - I'm rather glad, in fact, given your description. But it can't be as bad as the (80-mile) road from Roxas City to Iloilo.]

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                  • Pabmusic
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                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    Nothing, it's the 'practise' of that preference/taste

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                    • Roehre

                      #40
                      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                      Is Paul Dessau off the beaten track? Just ordered the Brilliant Edtion from jpc
                      I have some of his stuff on ancient East German Eterna LPs but looking forward to reacquainting.
                      Dessau is off the beaten track on these isles as you know.
                      Nice set, I haven't got the operas but for Lukullus.
                      I find the Mozart adoptation hilarious, really nicely done.

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                      • Roehre

                        #41
                        Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                        I enjoy listening to the music of Irish composer John Kinsella.
                        The 4th Symphony is a very fine piece IMO.

                        http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...=John+Kinsella
                        I share that opinion

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                        • Suffolkcoastal
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3290

                          #42
                          Hopefully my efforts to draw my fellow MBs to the attention of those lesser known composers whose music I have discovered during my listening years, have helped in some way, and I also hope that MBs have found at least some of these composers/works to enjoy and admire.

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                          • richardfinegold
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                            • Sep 2012
                            • 7666

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                            Hopefully my efforts to draw my fellow MBs to the attention of those lesser known composers whose music I have discovered during my listening years, have helped in some way, and I also hope that MBs have found at least some of these composers/works to enjoy and admire.
                            I am astonished at your breadth of knowledge.

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              #44
                              Zelenka is off the beaten track.

                              A doversoul recommendation!


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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #45
                                How about some nice Schubert violin Music?

                                for violin, sensor, live-electronics and live-video- played by Barbara Lüneburghttp://alexanderschubert.net/weapon_of_choice/premiered 3.5.2009 by B.Luenebur...
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