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Yes! Morphing brilliantly into and out of the Rosenkav. waltz with the Mahler 2 ländler weaving in and out etc etc !
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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La Valse
I just love the total incongruity of it - whether or not MR meant it, it is a wonderful sort of parody, in every way; I love it too - uplifting, fun, brash, 'nouveau' etc etcComment
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Agreed 100% - furthermore in my book your 'etc etc' would include 'grotesque' and even 'terrifying' in the final part. I feel quite sure that MR 'meant it'.Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
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Originally posted by Tony View PostAgreed 100% - furthermore 'in my' book your 'etc etc' would include 'grotesque' and even 'terrifying' in the final part. I feel quite sure that MR 'meant it'.
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Tony View PostAgreed 100% - furthermore 'in my' book your 'etc etc' would include 'grotesque' and even 'terrifying' in the final part. I feel quite sure that MR 'meant it'.
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Agreed here too. I heard an LSO/Abbado account in 1980 that was all of this and more - and it was an encore if I remember rightly!Originally posted by Tony View PostAgreed 100% - furthermore 'in my' book your 'etc etc' would include 'grotesque' and even 'terrifying' in the final part. I feel quite sure that MR 'meant it'."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard HaitinkComment
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I just don't like the noise it makes....
Reading the thread on the Schubert 9 reminded me that this is one piece of unquestionably "great" music- no pun intended- that has never engaged me. I love the early symphonies, the songs and, most of all, the chamber music but Schubert's final symphonic thoughts leave me unmoved. And always have.
Accordingly, I pose the question to others equally brave enough to display their musical shortcomings by asking what similarly renowned masterworks just don't "do it" for them. Not composers- we all have our favourites and "non"-favourites, but works by otherwise loved composers.
And, of course, my reference is the reverse of Beecham's famous remark about we Britons; in the case of the Schubert 9, I don't like the noise it makes. And I'm really sorry.Comment
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I agree with you about Schubert 9, and have always felt a bit embarrassed about what must surely be a 'failure of comprehension' on my part.
Moving on to Mozart and his late symphonies, although I dearly love 40, 41 and especially 38 ( IMV his greatest symphony), 39 simply doesn't 'do it for me' ( ducking behind sofa).
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There was a thread which covered other instances of the same 'blind spot' phenomenon (I'll merge them, I think - EDIT: done)
PS I love Schubert 9!
It's the bloody 'Unfinished' I can't stand!
Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 09-03-15, 13:41."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Perhaps you didn't wait long enough?Originally posted by Caliban View PostIt's the bloody 'Unfinished' I can't stand!
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I have really, REALLY tried with Bruckner 8. I've played it (all that tremolando!), I've heard top class orchestras and conductors in live performance and I just find it so bloody tedious...
One day, I hope the penny will drop but, for now it remains a tightly closed book.Comment
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Splutter !
I love them both - Bruckner 3 on the other hand - oh please just get on with it Anton !Comment
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Good idea to merge - I like the 'Unfinished' except when some smart-a*** tries to complete it - stands beautifully complete as a two-movement work, particularly if it's not rushed!Originally posted by Caliban View PostThis thread covered other instances of the same 'blind spot' phenomenon: http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ot-quot-pieces
(I'll merge them, I think)
PS I love Schubert 9!
It's the bloody 'Unfinished' I can't stand!Comment
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The Tallis Lamentations. I was persuaded to sing in a performance the other week but my view didn't change. Give me the Lassus setting any day of the week.
Sibelius 2, which I used to like a lot, but now seems utterly tedious.Comment
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