Women Composers' Thread/International Women's Day 2015 on R3

[P. G. Tipps]

I'm not obsessed by gender - but I think you might be, Scotty.

Okay, okay, I admit it, Flossie ... if I had to take either Simone Young or Leif Segerstam to my desert island and be condemned to discuss Bruckner interpretation for the rest of my life, I could easily be found guilty of the most appalling genderism.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Okay, okay, I admit it, Flossie ... if I had to take either Simone Young or Leif Segerstam to my desert island and be condemned to discuss Bruckner interpretation for the rest of my life, I could easily be found guilty of the most appalling genderism.

That's just the point. The sex of the composer isn't important. The music is.

[MrGongGong]

That's just the point. The sex of the composer isn't important. The music is.

Is the nationality?
Age?
Location?

Is it significant that Max lives in the Orkneys ?
Is it significant that Messiaen wrote a quartet in a prisoner of war camp?

OR is it just sounds?

[Beef Oven!]

That's just the point. The sex of the composer isn't important. The music is.

I think you might be missing the point. Lutyens, Williams, Musgrave, Tower, Beach and other's music is 'important' but does not get considered as such. Much less 'important' music is considered ahead of these composers. Let's say that in the absence of any other explanation, we can conclude that it is endemic sexism that causes this 'anomaly'.

[P. G. Tipps]

Is it significant that Max lives in the Orkneys ?
Is it significant that Messiaen wrote a quartet in a prisoner of war camp?

Undoubtedly both will have some significance, but is it also significant that both happen(ed) to be men and not women ... ?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Is the nationality?
Age?
Location?

Only if it affects the sound, which is many cases, it does.

Is it significant that Max lives in the Orkneys ?

Yes, because it some of his compositions have been prompted/inspired by his residency there.
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Is it significant that Messiaen wrote a quartet in a prisoner of war camp?

OR is it just sounds?

More likely both, just as Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony is clearly affected by the composer's location at the time. But their sex is irrelevant.

I think you might be missing the point. Lutyens, Williams, Musgrave, Tower, Beach and other's music is 'important' but does not get considered as such. Much less 'important' music is considered ahead of these composers.

That's a valued judgement in itself. However, putting on a Radio 3 saturation "show" JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SEX, and then ignoring them once again, is not the answer.

[jean]

That's a valued judgement in itself.

Is that like the advanced booking we're sometimnes offered?

But seriously: could people who only want to discuss whether women composers should have a thread to themselves please go away and start a thread about it, and leave this one to serve the purpose it was intended for.

[Beef Oven!]

That's a valued judgement in itself.

Let's say that in the absence of any other explanation, we can conclude that it is endemic sexism that causes this 'anomaly'.

However, putting on a Radio 3 saturation "show" JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SEX, and then ignoring them once again, is not the answer.

Who is suggesting that?

[Flosshilde]

But seriously: could people who only want to discuss whether women composers should have a thread to themselves please go away and start a thread about it, and leave this one to serve the purpose it was intended for.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Who is suggesting that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/programmes/schedules/2015/03/08

[P. G. Tipps]

That's a valued judgement in itself. However, putting on a Radio 3 saturation "show" JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SEX, and then ignoring them once again, is not the answer.

Spot on!

Women, like men, should be judged entirely on ability.

Everything else, like gender, big noses, stick-out ears, or whatever, is completely irrelevant!

[Don Petter]

Spot on!

Women, like men, should be judged entirely on ability.

Everything else, like gender, big noses, stick-out ears, or whatever, is completely irrelevant!

You've met the wife, then?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Women, like men, should be judged entirely on ability.

Spot on!


And how do we "judge entirely" their "ability"? What opportunities to make such judgements have we had in the last, say, six months?

[P. G. Tipps]

Spot on!


And how do we "judge entirely" their "ability"? What opportunities to make such judgements have we had in the last, say, six months?

That's entirely up to you!

Nothing stopping you exploring the output of women composers like anybody else, if gender is that important a factor to you.

Doesn't matter a scap to me, ferney ... at least when it comes to music!

[P. G. Tipps]

You've met the wife, then?

You're a brave man, Don! ...