Simon Rattle and the new London concert hall...

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  • Barbirollians
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    • Nov 2010
    • 11701

    I think it is terrific news - he is a great conductor and how good to have a British conductor as music director of one of the London orchestras again.

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    • Beef Oven!
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      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
      Don't be an arse

      I conducted an orchestra today
      that doesn't make the sun shine out of mine
      or mean that moronic politicians will stop destroying music education

      Even though I have a lot of time for Simon and the work he does I think the idea that somehow his magic wand will make everything better is nonsense
      IT WON'T

      On the train back to Birmingham this evening (I hear there is a concert hall here ?) I was reading in the Standard how its a great thing for the UK blah blah blah

      At this rate there won't be any music education for him to support by the time he gets "back"
      apart from the fact that he isn't really "coming back" just popping over for a few gigs.

      as is often the case Jon Savage's comments are worth reading with reference to music education
      I don't disagree with much of what you say (except about me being an arse!), but the crucial point is that he's a leader.

      I don't buy all that "how good to have a British conductor as music director of one of the London orchestras again" crap either. It's about leadership.

      Gergiev might be a better musician but he was no leader. Simon Dee will do the business!

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      • EdgeleyRob
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12180

        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        I think it is terrific news - he is a great conductor and how good to have a British conductor as music director of one of the London orchestras again.
        And how good would it be if he were to programme some neglected British music.

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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
          And how good would it be if he were to programme some neglected British music.
          I'm going to write to him about Robert Simpson, not because he was British but because between him, Eliot Carter and Rautavaara we've had some of the best music written RECENTLY, IMV. Rattle should give this music his attention.

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          • MrGongGong
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            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            but the crucial point is that he's a leader.
            What good is a leader when there's nothing to lead?

            Don't get me wrong I think he has done some great things BUT he isn't the saviour of classical music, music education or even acoustics.

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            • Beef Oven!
              Ex-member
              • Sep 2013
              • 18147

              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              What good is a leader when there's nothing to lead?
              You're anarchist tendencies are getting in the way, here.

              Don't get me wrong I think he has done some great things BUT he isn't the saviour of classical music, music education or even acoustics.
              I'm not suggesting he's the new Messiah.

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                • Nov 2010
                • 20570

                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                You're anarchist tendencies are getting in the way, here.
                One for Pedants' Paradise, I think.

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                • Beef Oven!
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                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  One for Pedants' Paradise, I think.
                  No, it's not a lexicographical point I'm making here, it's MrGG's pathology I'm referring to!

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11701

                    What crap . The fact that none of the London orchestras had a well known committed conductor from the UK has meant despite the quality of much of their work they have gained very little consciousness outside the classical music world .

                    As for leadership - what simplistic nonsense . What is the point of leadership if you can't conduct ?

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                    • MrGongGong
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      What crap . The fact that none of the London orchestras had a well known committed conductor from the UK
                      OROH

                      (Pappano was born in Epping, Essex)

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                      • Beef Oven!
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                        What crap . The fact that none of the London orchestras had a well known committed conductor from the UK has meant despite the quality of much of their work they have gained very little consciousness outside the classical music world .

                        As for leadership - what simplistic nonsense . What is the point of leadership if you can't conduct ?
                        Leadership is simple, not simplistic.

                        Simon can conduct.

                        I don't go in for the 'Little Englander' "ooh, he's British" stuff.

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                        • Beef Oven!
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                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          OROH

                          (Pappano was born in Epping, Essex)
                          He's got Italian blood in him - that's cool

                          And when he conducts, he uses a baton, unlike you who thinks it's cool and trendy to use your 'bare hands'

                          Steve Hillage was born in Woodford AND CRASS ARE FROM EPPING!!!!!!!!!

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                          • MrGongGong
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post

                            And when he conducts, he uses a baton, unlike you who thinks it's cool and trendy to use your 'bare hands'
                            Is stalking a crime these days ?

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                            • teamsaint
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 25210

                              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                              He's got Italian blood in him - that's cool

                              And when he conducts, he uses a baton, unlike you who thinks it's cool and trendy to use your 'bare hands' :big grin:

                              Steve Hillage was born in Woodford AND CRASS ARE FROM EPPING!!!!!!!!!


                              Epping? Were they not born and raised in an inner city squat?
                              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                              • Barbirollians
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11701

                                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                                OROH

                                (Pappano was born in Epping, Essex)
                                Yes but I meant quite obviously the symphony orchestras rather than the ROH .

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