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  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
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    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
    I don't think they're very much different to comments on this thread
    Some of these are very, very sour too! I think it's inevitable, given his record in Birmingham, that people are getting worked up about the prospect of him doing the same for little London. Everyone will want to be in on the act: How I Helped To Make It Happen. Don't blame SDR - he also has a good record on supporting music education.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
      • 20570

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Don't blame SDR - he also has a good record on supporting music education.
      Indeed, he does.

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      • Beef Oven!
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        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        Indeed, he does.

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        • ahinton
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          • Nov 2010
          • 16122

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Looked; felt supportive; signed.
          As have I; used to live in that area...

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          • Flosshilde
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            • Nov 2010
            • 7988

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            Don't blame SDR - he also has a good record on supporting music education.
            So does Nicola Benedetti, & many others - don't hear quite so much fuss being made of them, though.

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            • MrGongGong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              You're an anarchist, you don't understand leadership.

              Don't be an arse

              I conducted an orchestra today
              that doesn't make the sun shine out of mine
              or mean that moronic politicians will stop destroying music education

              Even though I have a lot of time for Simon and the work he does I think the idea that somehow his magic wand will make everything better is nonsense
              IT WON'T

              On the train back to Birmingham this evening (I hear there is a concert hall here ?) I was reading in the Standard how its a great thing for the UK blah blah blah

              At this rate there won't be any music education for him to support by the time he gets "back"
              apart from the fact that he isn't really "coming back" just popping over for a few gigs.

              as is often the case Jon Savage's comments are worth reading with reference to music education

              I'm pleased he is coming back to the UK. But I'm struggling to understand how this will revitalise music education. Perhaps a new concert hall for London will be a good thing, but it might come at a time when music education has seen its funding slashed from Government and Local Authority sources. It represents a curious set of priorities in the long run.

              Rattle's lauding of El Sistema is also coming apart pretty quickly too given Geoff Baker's recent findings in his book: http://www.musiceducationuk.com/all-...onathan-savage
              Last edited by MrGongGong; 03-03-15, 21:56.

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              • Petrushka
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12250

                As one who saw Rattle many times in Birmingham I'm very pleased at today's news. He makes it clear that he is in this for the long term so no flying in five minutes before curtain up on no rehearsal a la Gergiev. My feeling for some time was that Rattle felt stifled in Berlin from doing what he really wanted as he did in Birmingham. Many in Birmingham felt that if Rattle performed a contemporary work then it was worth listening to so people flocked to Symphony Hall because they trusted him. This was music education in action!

                Yes, London is years behind but having seen the effect in Birmingham that might all be about to change.

                As Rattle expects this to be his last appointment and seeing as we are the same age, I suppose he will be the last LSO Principal Conductor I'm likely to see.
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • french frank
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                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30286

                  Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                  So does Nicola Benedetti, & many others - don't hear quite so much fuss being made of them, though.
                  But you don't hear people putting them down for what they do either. No point in blaming Rattle for the amount of fuss other people make over him, that's all I was saying.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6455

                    Having found much of Sir Simons work in Berlin a disappointment I can't say I'm that excited by the appointment. I guess there will be some superb individual nights combined with the normal run of Rattle party pieces most of which to my ears he conducts with decreasing authority. The recent Mahler 2 would be an example.

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                    • EdgeleyRob
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12180

                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      As one who saw Rattle many times in Birmingham I'm very pleased at today's news. He makes it clear that he is in this for the long term so no flying in five minutes before curtain up on no rehearsal a la Gergiev. My feeling for some time was that Rattle felt stifled in Berlin from doing what he really wanted as he did in Birmingham. Many in Birmingham felt that if Rattle performed a contemporary work then it was worth listening to so people flocked to Symphony Hall because they trusted him. This was music education in action!

                      Yes, London is years behind but having seen the effect in Birmingham that might all be about to change.

                      As Rattle expects this to be his last appointment and seeing as we are the same age, I suppose he will be the last LSO Principal Conductor I'm likely to see.
                      I wonder if that would work with say,oooh off the top of my head...Weinberg or,as TS suggests, Simpson ?

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                      • ucanseetheend
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 297

                        Dreadful news! Get ready for the LSO having the same done to it as the BPO. "Music with a shine and sharpness but empty"
                        "Perfection is not attainable,but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence"

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                        • BBMmk2
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          What else there now.....?
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26536

                            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                            What else there now.....?
                            Quite!
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Flosshilde
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7988

                              An interesting piece in today's Guradian from a horn player in the BPO on working with Rattle
                              A horn player with the Berlin Philharmonic on his 13 years with the conductor and what the London Symphony Orchestra can expect from its new leader

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26536

                                Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                                Guradian
                                Nice and original tribute trypo! An unexpected touch of the Armenian
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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