The 2014 Survey of Classical Music on Radio 3

[gradus]

Interesting stats and a factual basis for discussions about programming - its a shame that R3 doesn't adopt and publish the info. Well done for sustaining what is quite an undertaking.

[Serial_Apologist]

many thanks for the exceedingly diligent efforts Suffolkcoastal .... it confirms one's apprehensions that the efforts of r3 to champion serious music are at best mediocre, or am i being too harsh?

It has just occurred to me that nearly all the works I have contributed to the Classical Associations thread would never have been known to me, had not Radio 3 once been the very different, genuinely informative broadcaster it used to be in the 1960s to the 1980s. This has really been brought home to me in a jolt from reading SC's wonderfully comprehensive survey, for which I'd like to add my enormous thanks to him.

[Beef Oven!]

many thanks for the exceedingly diligent efforts Suffolkcoastal .... it confirms one's apprehensions that the efforts of r3 to champion serious music are at best mediocre, or am i being too harsh?

btb i suspect R3 could not tell you what Suffolkcaostal has just shown ....

Not harsh. I hardly recognise the BBCR3 that I grew up with in the late 60s/70s - all that lovely plink, plonk, eeeaaaoow-doink!

Alas, no more.

All so unadventurous these days

[edashtav]

Not harsh. I hardly recognise the BBCR3 that I grew up with in the late 60s/70s - all that lovely plink, plonk, eeeaaaoow-doink!

Alas, no more.

All so unadventurous these days

Whilst I'm largely in agreement with you,Beefy, we must remember that even in 1970, individual composers of the finest plink-plonk confections rarely received 50+ broadcast in the year. Suffy has given up a fine view of frequent musical offerings, but the occasional visitors are hidden in the depths of his computer. Today's offering are less diverse but R3 is not as bad as 15 American orchestras that managed to give performances to Carl Orff 50 times in 2 years, but - O FORTUNA! - of only ONE of his works! That remains the stuff of another radio service in the U K.

[teamsaint]

Whilst I'm largely in agreement with you,Beefy, we must remember that even in 1970, individual composers of the finest plink-plonk confections rarely received 50+ broadcast in the year. Suffy has given up a fine view of frequent musical offerings, but the occasional visitors are hidden in the depths of his computer. Today's offering are less diverse but R3 is not as bad as 15 American orchestras that managed to give performances to Carl Orff 50 times in 2 years, but - O FORTUNA! - of only ONE of his works! That remains the stuff of another radio service in the U K.

as regards contemporary music, one of "The Choir" stalwarts pointed out last year that contemporary music is quite prominantly feature in Choral Evensong, and choral music in general, even if Suffy's 50 + targets don't reflect this.

Fantastic work, Suffy, thanks from me too.

[Suffolkcoastal]

If any Boarders wish to know the figures for any of the under 50's please let me know. A good example of the change in R3 could be represented by Tippett, who although he did better than in 2009-12, the vast majority of pieces/chunks played where 'safe' Tippett, the Concerto for Double String Orchestra, A Child of Our Time, Suite in D. The same with Schoenberg, plenty of Verklarte Nacht for example.

[antongould]

If any Boarders wish to know the figures for any of the under 50's please let me know. A good example of the change in R3 could be represented by Tippett, who although he did better than in 2009-12, the vast majority of pieces/chunks played where 'safe' Tippett, the Concerto for Double String Orchestra, A Child of Our Time, Suite in D. The same with Schoenberg, plenty of Verklarte Nacht for example.

Love to have them sc and this is easier than PMing

[EdgeleyRob]

Brilliant work as always sc and ff.
So many of the composers I love didn't make 50.

[Suffolkcoastal]

I've just put together a spreadsheet of every covering the last 6 years of all composers who had at least one year with 50 works/chunks broadcast, showing the totals for each year whether they reached 50 or not in other years. I'll have a play with excel and see if I can get a clear graph to upload.

[aeolium]

Interesting as an aside to see Abel symphonies exceed the number of broadcasts for symphonies by Bruckner, Nielsen and Rachmaninov (and not in an anniversary year either).

I know these are completely unreasonable requests, but the remarks by Suffolk about the prevalence of particular works in making up the numbers for several composers' statistics make me wish that a couple of other columns could be included: 1) the percentage of the total composer broadcast figure made up by 10 works or fewer and 2) the total number of broadcasts for the most frequently played work (plus title if possible).

As I said, completely unreasonable

[french frank]

As I said, completely unreasonable

Yes, altogether absolutely and COMPLETELY unreasonable in its entirety .... ???????

We do still have stored somewhere the lists compiled by the former member known as Ludwig fan Beethoven, which concentrated on the individual works. I wonder how different the picture is now?

[Suffolkcoastal]

Aton, I'll put up a list of the composers who were in the 40s, 30s & 20s.

Aeolium - I can use my warhorse list for some composers and give you a percentage based on those.

Frenchie - I'm converting some data into graphs for inclusion, once I can get the charts to fit the pdfs.

[edashtav]

Aton, I'll put up a list of the composers who were in the 40s, 30s & 20s.

Aeolium - I can use my warhorse list for some composers and give you a percentage based on those.

Frenchie - I'm converting some data into graphs for inclusion, once I can get the charts to fit the pdfs.

I look forward to these with great interest. In many ways the fine detail is more revealing than how the great ships and tankers are manoeuvring.

ED

[antongould]

Aton, I'll put up a list of the composers who were in the 40s, 30s & 20s.

Aeolium - I can use my warhorse list for some composers and give you a percentage based on those.

Frenchie - I'm converting some data into graphs for inclusion, once I can get the charts to fit the pdfs.

Many thanks sc

[Suffolkcoastal]

For Anton & all others interested here at the 49-20 pieces/chunks per year composers from 2009-2014 in three posts

49-40

2009
ADAMS J
BACH J CHRISTIAN
GLINKA
HUMMEL
OFFENBACH
BUSONI
FINZI
MASSENET
KHACHATURIAN
TAVENER
JOSQUIN
HOWELLS
MOSZKOWSKI
MILHAUD
MONIUSZKO
GOUNOD
HERRMANN B
BAX
BERG
GIBBONS O
LULLY
MACMILLAN
RUTTER
2010
LIGETI
BRIDGE
SALIERI
DONIZETTI
OFFENBACH
KHACHATURIAN
BRUCH
SWEELINCK
HOWELLS
BELLINI
MASSENET
GIBBONS O
ZELENKA
WEILL
REICH
HAYDN M
GESUALDO
MOERAN
VICTORIA
DUPARC
BIBER
MONIUSZKO
IVES
2011
PERGOLESI
BALAKIREV
MARTINU
LEHAR
SCARLATTI A
STANFORD
WOLF H
ALBINONI
COUPERIN F
LIGETI
DUKAS
REICH
CAVALLI
DOWLAND
FINZI
MACMILLAN
SVENDSEN
ADAMS J
DONIZETTI
KORNGOLD
BERG
ENESCU
GABRIELI G
SPOHR
2012
TIPPETT
GOUNOD
HOWELLS
BUTTERWORTH G
BIBER
SPOHR
LULLY
MACMILLAN
LIGETI
COATES E
MONIUSZKO
DONIZETTI
2013
LASSUS
PIAZZOLLA
MILHAUD
BIBER
HOWELLS
OFFENBACH
SARASATE
BUXTEHUDE
GRANADOS
HERRMANN B
ADAMS J
BAX
COATES E
DONIZETTI
ENESCU
SCRIABIN
GLASS P
HINDEMITH
RODRIGO
STENHAMMAR
CHAMINADE
HUMPERDINCK
REGER
2014
ARNE T
REGER
SUK
ALBINONI
MILHAUD
NYMAN
RODRIGO
REICH
ABEL K
GRANADOS
MACMILLAN J
SARASATE
DELIBES
GIBBONS O
MOERAN
BAX
HUMMEL
MARTINU
DYSON
LIADOV
MORLEY T
SHEPPARD