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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30334

    I've asked this once ...

    ... and (unless I missed it) I received no reply.

    Is there any reliable (I stress that) source confirming that Johann Strauss II (or I) was baptised Johann Sebastian?

    I've found several internet sources which state this, but Grove has Johann (Baptist), as does Wikipedia. Is Radio 3 reliable here?

    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • Pianorak
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3127

    #2
    For what it's worth: Johann Baptist Strauß Sohn wurde als erstes von insgesamt sechs Kindern am 25.10.1825 im Wiener Vorort St. Ulrich geboren.
    No mention of Sebastian. His grandfather was baptised Franz and his father Johann Baptist.
      Johann Baptist Strauß Sohn wurde als erstes von insgesamt sechs Kindern am 25.10.1825 im Wiener Vorort St. Ulrich geboren. Bereits von frühest...
    Last edited by Pianorak; 30-09-14, 10:06. Reason: correcting names of father & grandfather
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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      #3


      I'm not suggesting that's a reliable source

      Person:54181,15145,15157,23177,Strauß,Austria,Coburg,Germany,Vienna (Austria)




      or those either

      I guess he'd have to be distinguished from Johann Wilhelm
      Last edited by mercia; 30-09-14, 10:07.

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      • Pabmusic
        Full Member
        • May 2011
        • 5537

        #4
        I have two books. Peter Kemp says (The Strauss Family, Omnibus Press, 1985) he was baptised Johann Baptist "after his father". Franz Mailer (Jodef Strauss, Genie wider Willen, J & V, 1977) says "Er werde auf den Namen Johann Baptist, wie sein vater".

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        • mercia
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8920

          #5
          i suppose if both I and II are Baptist, as wiki suggests, some further distinction is needed (?)

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          • Pabmusic
            Full Member
            • May 2011
            • 5537

            #6
            Originally posted by mercia View Post
            i suppose if both I and II are Baptist, as wiki suggests, some further distinction is needed (?)
            Surely Johann II or Johann Sohn is enough?

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            • mercia
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              • Nov 2010
              • 8920

              #7
              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
              Surely Johann II or Johann Sohn is enough?
              true (and there was a Johann III too)

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30334

                #8
                Originally posted by mercia View Post
                i suppose if both I and II are Baptist, as wiki suggests, some further distinction is needed (?)
                Father and Son? I think I found the sources you did, mercia, which made me stop chortling and wonder ... Though I would tend to doubt a statement like: "He was born Johann Sebastian Strauss ..." Already tattooed on his forehead, perhaps.

                My hunch is that this is a mistake perpetuated (as frequently happens) by the internet, and that someone at Radio 3 followed it. I don't remember that the playlists normally have that; he's usually, correctly, identified as Johann Strauss II as in:



                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Pabmusic
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                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mercia View Post
                  true (and there was a Johann III too)
                  So there was. He made some recordings, too. I think he was a nephew (a son of Eduard).

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                  • subcontrabass
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2780

                    #10
                    Originally posted by french frank View Post

                    My hunch is that this is a mistake perpetuated (as frequently happens) by the internet, and that someone at Radio 3 followed it.
                    Grove Music Online, which one hopes is a more reliable source, gives Johann Baptist Strauss as the full name of Johann II.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30334

                      #11
                      Originally posted by subcontrabass View Post
                      Grove Music Online, which one hopes is a more reliable source, gives Johann Baptist Strauss as the full name of Johann II.
                      What seems to be the case is that there are various reasons why Radio 3's information (online at least) has become unreliable (I can think of three) and they all need to be investigated.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • mercia
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8920

                        #12
                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        oops

                        when computers finally completely take over I'm looking forward to the 'wrong' Engelbert Humperdinck being played on Radio 3
                        (someone will say there isn't a wrong one anymore for R3)

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30334

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mercia View Post
                          when computers finally completely take over I'm looking forward to the 'wrong' Engelbert Humperdinck being played on Radio 3
                          With an online picture of an obscure German opera composer.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            ... and as for the possibilties with the Franck Sonata ...
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Roslynmuse
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                              • Jun 2011
                              • 1241

                              #15
                              IIRC, it's not so long since Ligeti's Volumina was billed as being performed by Freddie Mercury...

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