Which part of music is your absolute specialist subject ?

[Serial_Apologist]

Reinvention is surely the stuff of music?

That could sound a bit loaded. I'm, off to bed now, but I'll have a think about it!

[cloughie]

even if that is correct, (and I would agree in part, but only in part), the musical and other creativity unleashed by punk was extraordinary.

Reinvention is surely the stuff of music?

I'm not sure how the use , for example,of Reggae by white bands like the Clash, Police, SLF was just something that was done in the 60's reinvented but not done as well?

Lets be more positive. Ask me for a recommendation !! (maybe on the Pop thread).

The comparison there is Stones, Animals, Yardbirds, Manfred Mann other white groups and their treatment of blues - R&B but not as we know it now! These were the guys that inspired Dylan to go electric. Folk became folk-rock. How much protest and revolution do you want - it was all there in the sixties! Reinvention - I prefer to call it evolution - I unfortunately think of Madonna when reinvention is used and that was mostly bandwagon jumping rather than originality - but yes nick an idea and develop it - I'm all for that - nick an idea and just do a copy - forget it!

[richardfinegold]

I never cease to be amazed at the broad musical knowledge of any number of forumites.

But what is absolutely your thing? Whether you're professional or amateur ...

Roehre - surely even you specialise in something!!

My specialty is being a snobbish, opinonated, obnoxious pain in the ass. There is no self loathing in this assesment because at this stage of my life I simply accept what I am and realize that I am not going to change.
Now, with respect to music, my interests are primarily from Baroque to early 20th Century. THe last several years I have been interest in the intersection of Music and Politics, particularly in the twin Totalitarian Disasters of the 20 th Century, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

[teamsaint]

The comparison there is Stones, Animals, Yardbirds, Manfred Mann other white groups and their treatment of blues - R&B but not as we know it now! These were the guys that inspired Dylan to go electric. Folk became folk-rock. How much protest and revolution do you want - it was all there in the sixties! Reinvention - I prefer to call it evolution - I unfortunately think of Madonna when reinvention is used and that was mostly bandwagon jumping rather than originality - but yes nick an idea and develop it - I'm all for that - nick an idea and just do a copy - forget it!

But that really isn't what happened.
Your point about 60's groups using the blues/RnB is fine, but it really doesn't mean that what happened with reggae, just as an example, doesn't have validity. Those groups that I mentioned took reggae, used it changed, it developed it,and ( As Bob Marley himself happily acknowledged in " Punky Reggae Party") did something with it.
There is always a debt to the past. Punk bands frequently gave a nod to the past in their style or content (The Jam and the Kinks/mod for example), but nobody in their right mind could accuse the Jam of just copying the Kinks, and their albums still get the critical acclaim which has to be one of the ways that enduring quality is judged.

Actually I would be quite surprised if a person who likes The Animals couldn't find at least some time for the Ruts, or likewise the Doors/Echo and the Bunnymen, the Who (or Kinks)/ The Jam, The Yardbirds/The Stranglers ,The Stones/Clash, Velvets/ Siouxsie and so on and so on, and I have never yet met a person who likes pop music, who thought that the punk inspired Two Tone was a waste of time, despite borrowing heavily from the 60's.
But perhaps we were just a cloth eared generation !!

still happy to compile that playlist .......


(I'll check out my use of " reinvention" here as it was a bit late, and is perhaps not precisely the word /nuance I wanted .)

And then there are the other areas that punk veered off into and inspired people to work in, such as electro, funk/dance, etc etc.
Beef Oven and Gongers can help fill you in on this stuff !

EDIT : apologies to others if this is a bit non classical/niche/whatever, but Clougie did ask......

mods, please s feel free to move my posts elsewhere...

[Hornspieler]

I think my specialist subjects are loathing Beet 9 movt 4 and Bolero. Overall I've no overall expertise or a specialist in any area but a dabbler in a few areas and I doubt that anyone would agree with my views, tastes or approaches to these.

Expertise or not. Your first sentence tells me that we are on the same wavelength. I would add "La Valse" to my Ravel hates but I am a great fan of the rest of his music.

Hornspieler

[salymap]

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Expertise or not. Your first sentence tells me that we are on the same wavelength. I would add "La Valse" to my Ravel hates but I am a great fan of the rest of his music.

Hornspieler

Agree about the 9th last movement, love La Valse HS.

I know little but like most music from JS Bach to then end of the 20th century.

[umslopogaas]

#2 Alison, inner groove distortion used to be the bane of my life, but no more. With a good quality cartridge and turntable it is no longer a problem, except when the record has actually been damaged - but I've got rid of most of those.

My current set up is a Thorens TD 3001BC deck, SME arm and Ortofon head and SH-4 cartridge. I have several other interchangeable heads including one with a mono stylus. By quality hifi standards this is not particularly expensive kit: the SME was expensive at the time, but that was about thirty years ago and it will last the rest of my life, so was a good investment!

[french frank]

No expertise, but I used to be able to bore on the subject of Mozart's Nozze v. Beaumarchais' Mariage. But I've forgotten all the fascinating little details, like why, um, well I've forgotten... But it was why the reordering of the scenes took place (because in the original production Bartolo and Antonio were sung by the same performer).

Okay, so I'm not an expert in anything ...

[cloughie]

But that really isn't what happened.
Your point about 60's groups using the blues/RnB is fine, but it really doesn't mean that what happened with reggae, just as an example, doesn't have validity. Those groups that I mentioned took reggae, used it changed, it developed it,and ( As Bob Marley himself happily acknowledged in " Punky Reggae Party") did something with it.
There is always a debt to the past. Punk bands frequently gave a nod to the past in their style or content (The Jam and the Kinks/mod for example), but nobody in their right mind could accuse the Jam of just copying the Kinks, and their albums still get the critical acclaim which has to be one of the ways that enduring quality is judged.

Actually I would be quite surprised if a person who likes The Animals couldn't find at least some time for the Ruts, or likewise the Doors/Echo and the Bunnymen, the Who (or Kinks)/ The Jam, The Yardbirds/The Stranglers ,The Stones/Clash, Velvets/ Siouxsie and so on and so on, and I have never yet met a person who likes pop music, who thought that the punk inspired Two Tone was a waste of time, despite borrowing heavily from the 60's.
But perhaps we were just a cloth eared generation !!

still happy to compile that playlist .......


(I'll check out my use of " reinvention" here as it was a bit late, and is perhaps not precisely the word /nuance I wanted .)

And then there are the other areas that punk veered off into and inspired people to work in, such as electro, funk/dance, etc etc.
Beef Oven and Gongers can help fill you in on this stuff !

EDIT : apologies to others if this is a bit non classical/niche/whatever, but Clougie did ask......

mods, please s feel free to move my posts elsewhere...

I think each of us has our preferred era - the groups of the early sixties shook up a doldrums of pop output, but the originality, evolution and bringing together of genres has never been repeated and punk heralded a polarisation of genres. However good things from the punk era were - yes I have some of it on my shelves - nothing had the impact that first hearing The Animals' House of the Rising Sun on 'Ready steady Go' in 1964. Nothing will change my view that the Sex Pistols were both sonically and visually awful (not awesome as some will claim!).

[amateur51]

I think enjoyment is my specialist subject

[Pabmusic]

I just bore people about something (usually someone) different every few years. But I'm pretty well read…

[Roehre]

I think enjoyment is my specialist subject

[amateur51]

I just bore people about something (usually someone) different every few years. But I'm pretty well read…

You are a star in my musical firmament Pab

[Bryn]

The English and American experimental tradition, I suppose, (Varèse being included in the latter since all but one of his extant compositions was written after he emigrated).

As to the final movement of Beethoven's 9th: a glorious romping conclusion to a great work, though far too often played as if its fun and games needed to be transformed into portentous statements. The 'slow' movement needs to be rescued from the curse of Wagner too. It needs a true flowing cantabile, at the tempi indicated in the composer's metronome markings, to truly do it justice. Hurrah for RN (misreadings in his old LCP recording notwithstanding) and those who have since 'taken up the baton'.

[Stanfordian]

The English and American experimental tradition, I suppose, (Varèse being included in the latter since all but one of his extant compositions was written after he emigrated).

As to the final movement of Beethoven's 9th: a glorious romping conclusion to a great work, though far too often played as if its fun and games needed to be transformed into portentous statements. The 'slow' movement needs to be rescued from the curse of Wagner too. It needs a true flowing cantabile, at the tempi indicated in the composer's metronome markings, to truly do it justice. Hurrah for RN (misreadings in his old LCP recording notwithstanding) and those who have since 'taken up the baton'.

Hiya Bryn,

I like to think I'm an all-rounder but my greatest passions are three-fold:
a) Late nineteeth and early twentieth Century English music,
b) French Grand Opera
c) Berliner Philharmoniker.
Currenly I am also fasinated by Russian music and Verdi operas.