Where is everyone?

[Bryn]

Re. muscle memory, but not specifically dealing with memorising a particular work, I recall Frederic Rzewski commenting, way back in 1983 (how time flies), that he did not need to practice either regularly or frequently. This he put down to having started playing the piano at a very early age, so that his fingers, etc., had been effectively hard wired to play. I suggested that those who started the piano after the age of 5 had by then lost the possibility of such freedom from practice.

[Zucchini]

At any rate, the answer to, Where is everbody? is probably, Here: 94 posts since yesterday,

30 were yours...

Sorry ff. I cheated you - you posted 32 of the 94

[Tevot]

30 were yours...

Cheeky

[Badgerhound]

Sounds a bit, you know, nauseating, thanks Badge.

That's the idea, yes.

Goodness - you've only listened once? I know that (according to some) it's been going down hill for some time, but I think that even they listen a bit more often.

smiley, and the outside world smileys with you.

It's the sheer wit of this place that's the draw.

The Dachshund arrives on a full moon - something of the night about him/her - or just another chancer? Will the dawn scare him/her? The plot thickens or does it?

Wrong on all counts. Like Radio 3, eh.

Well, yes. But then, the same can be said of all "special-interest" internet blogs, chatrooms etc etc. I doubt the Forum has ever been interesting to the outside world - it wouldn't be "outside", otherwise - the point of the Thread seems to be the suggestion that we're becoming (or have become) less interesting to the "inside world"; ourselves.

By outside world, I meant only that tiny sliver with an interest in classical music. FoR3 started off with the best intentions (I think), but was soon taken over by 'third way', nimbyist fudgers that are as worrying to BBC management as rain outside their asylum.

or would that be an emetic overdose?

If such a thing were physically possible, it's all yours.

Bye for now.

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A bauble of supposed wit/wisdom at the foot of every message - what's that all about? Gandhi

[Tevot]

That's the idea, yes.




It's the sheer wit of this place that's the draw.



Wrong on all counts. Like Radio 3, eh.



By outside world, I meant only that tiny sliver with an interest in classical music. FoR3 started off with the best intentions (I think), but was soon taken over by 'third way', nimbyist fudgers that are as worrying to BBC management as rain outside their asylum.



If such a thing were physically possible, it's all yours.

Bye for now.

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A bauble of supposed wit/wisdom at the foot of every message - what's that all about? Gandhi

You are Honoured Guest - a GRU operative - and I claim my 5 Roubles !!

[Dave2002]

You are Honoured Guest - a GRU operative - and I claim my 5 Roubles !!

Always learning new things round here - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU

[Blotto]

Wrong on all counts. Like Radio 3, eh.

By outside world, I meant only that tiny sliver with an interest in classical music. FoR3 started off with the best intentions (I think) ...

I have to say that the content of Friends of Radio 3 is not entirely what one might expect from the name. Surely, an essential element of friendship is liking?

Whenever I log in, there seem to be twice as many guests as resident members and most of the actual posting is by quite a small constituency. There's a sizeable membership but limited participation. Long-standing posters on any forum can understandably become proprietorial. The forum itself may not notice this but it will be noticed by strangers.

[Blotto]

True, there may seem much scope for posts of complaint, but so many members are saying that they listen to the station less and less that in general there are fewer opportunities for comment on the main subject of the Forum.

I've been struck as a guest in the forum by how rarely posters seem to comment on the evening concert. If there was going to be a centre point for comment, I'd have expected it to be there but it isn't.

[cloughie]

Wrong on all counts. Like Radio 3, eh.

Not quite all, but who cares?

[amateur51]

I've hesitated to post a reply, being a simple soul, but I'm here.

I'm always here.

And you're always there!

Unless you're here - with me

[french frank]

I have to say that the content of Friends of Radio 3 is not entirely what one might expect from the name. Surely, an essential element of friendship is liking?

One can like and be critical. As we say on our Facebook page: we are not an uncritical Appreciation Society.

Whenever I log in, there seem to be twice as many guests as resident members and most of the actual posting is by quite a small constituency.

The 1:2 ratio is the number of registered users to - in the majority - those who prefer to read but not join and cyberspammers (if you can see the IP addresses you know which they are).

There's a sizeable membership but limited participation. Long-standing posters on any forum can understandably become proprietorial. The forum itself may not notice this but it will be noticed by strangers.

To an extent that is true - of this forum and of many others. People may not interested in what is being posted, or feel too timid to join in. If they know a better hole, they can go to it. Forums tend to develop along similar lines if they have a membership of any size - even a relatively small forum like this one.

Indeed people can join:

r3ok - though there is even less about Radio 3 partly for the same reasons as have been suggested here - disaffection with Radio 3

The Third - again, not a lot about Radio 3, and only about four posting members

There is also Mr Grew's Art-Music Forum, with virtually nothing about Radio 3

Or there is the Radio 3 Facebook page, where there is lot of Radio 3, but not much sign of listeners.

FoR3 is a lobby group which makes no secret of its aims. Anyone is free to criticise them constructively or not participate in the forum at all if they find it unappealing.

If people have been long-standing posters, they can become proprietorial, and it seems to me that (within reason ) they have a right to be so.

[Blotto]

This thread has got heavy with the subject of musical literacy. Have members not considered an element of musical education as a function of the forum? It's interesting to see how apologetic some posters are about their knowledge and how little confidence they have in their ability to articulate much understanding of music.

Yet, another strand is regretting the lack of depth in the comment. The two positions can be reconciled. Perhaps a starting point would be to have a dedicated strand for musical questions, answers and statements. A place or places where curiosity can be actively expressed.

Are scores available online? Many people who enjoy music don't read it. However, just as one doesn't need to be a cartographer to read maps, one doesn't need to be a musicologist to read a score. Very limited musical knowledge (like my own) enables someone roughly to follow a score and developing the ability to see the music as it's passing can give a different sense of the landscape and the weather.

Is there anywhere I haven't spotted that invites the listener to cultivate their understanding?

[Sir Velo]

I have to say that the content of Friends of Radio 3 is not entirely what one might expect from the name. Surely, an essential element of friendship is liking?

A good friend is the one who doesn't shy from telling a middle aged dad that he's making a prat of himself chatting up the teenage girls.

[Roslynmuse]

This thread has got heavy with the subject of musical literacy. Have members not considered an element of musical education as a function of the forum? It's interesting to see how apologetic some posters are about their knowledge and how little confidence they have in their ability to articulate much understanding of music.

Yet, another strand is regretting the lack of depth in the comment. The two positions can be reconciled. Perhaps a starting point would be to have a dedicated strand for musical questions, answers and statements. A place or places where curiosity can be actively expressed.

Are scores available online? Many people who enjoy music don't read it. However, just as one doesn't need to be a cartographer to read maps, one doesn't need to be a musicologist to read a score. Very limited musical knowledge (like my own) enables someone roughly to follow a score and developing the ability to see the music as it's passing can give a different sense of the landscape and the weather.

Is there anywhere I haven't spotted that invites the listener to cultivate their understanding?

There are plenty of scores available online at IMSLP -

http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Composers

- a huge amount of out-of-copyright material (so no recent scholarly editions), much out-of-print.

The downside is that sites like these have meant the need for public music libraries is less than it was.

[french frank]

Yet, another strand is regretting the lack of depth in the comment. The two positions can be reconciled. Perhaps a starting point would be to have a dedicated strand for musical questions, answers and statements. A place or places where curiosity can be actively expressed.

Like this one?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?10169-Musical-questions-and-answers-thread&highlight=Questions

Perhaps some of your questions should be directed at the BBC or Radio 3 rather than a small private forum?