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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #91
    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
    Well, no, not in my case. I might have recognised some bit of the piece, thought 'Is that Mozart?', & then, if I heard the phrase/melody in another piece might have thought I was hearing the same piece, & then got confused if it didn't carry on as I expected.
    But Flossie - do you get confused when you hear the same leitmotifs reappearing in the different Music Dramas of The Ring?
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • Flosshilde
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7988

      #92
      No, because the different operas are sufficiently distinct & the motifs are sufficiently changed (and sufficiently different). But hearing similar, or the same, phrases in several Mozart symphonies I wouldn't be familiar enough with them (the symphonies), nor are the symphonies sufficiently distinct from each other (to me).

      When I hear something from a Mahler symphony I can tell that it's Mahler, but I'm usually hard pressed to tell which symphony it's from - & I really like the music and listen to it a lot (but obviously not with enough attention).

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      • Flosshilde
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7988

        #93
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        But Flossie - do you get confused when you hear the same leitmotifs reappearing in the different Music Dramas of The Ring?
        Actually - I think that I do, sometimes

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #94
          Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
          Actually - I think that I do, sometimes
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30458

            #95
            At any rate, the answer to, Where is everbody? is probably, Here: 94 posts since yesterday,
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • EdgeleyRob
              Guest
              • Nov 2010
              • 12180

              #96
              I'm here !

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              • Alison
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 6468

                #97
                Surely a turning point in the history of the board.

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                • pastoralguy
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7802

                  #98

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6468

                    #99
                    Could some of the more interesting posters start threads as well as contribute to them? Thanks.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37820

                      Originally posted by Alison View Post
                      Could some of the more interesting posters start threads as well as contribute to them? Thanks.
                      You'll only appeal to their vanity...

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                      • Flosshilde
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7988

                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Could some of the more interesting posters start threads as well as contribute to them? Thanks.
                        I did start one on the EIF Queen's Hall concerts - I hope that people will add to it after each concert.

                        (not that I want to appear vain)

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22183

                          Originally posted by Alison View Post
                          Could some of the more interesting posters start threads as well as contribute to them? Thanks.
                          That begs the questions of who is interesting?, who thinks they are (themselves)? and who thinks they are (other boarders)? And now I would feel very presumptious if I started a thread and if I did would it be interesting?

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                          • Petrushka
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12309

                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            But Flossie - do you get confused when you hear the same leitmotifs reappearing in the different Music Dramas of The Ring?
                            What is so staggering about the leitmotifs in Wagner's Ring is that they are all derived from the very opening. All 14 hours of it! I find it absolutely fascinating how Wagner does this and, moreover, propels forward the psychology of the drama by the use of various versions of the leitmotifs.

                            I enjoy both the emotional and technical aspects of music (as exemplified by the above) and feel a frisson of excitement when I spot something hitherto never noticed. For instance, I've known Bruckner 5 since about 1975 but it is only quite recently that I've been aware that the main melody of the scherzo is, note for note, identical to the main melody of the preceding slow movement only, of course, speeded up.
                            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                            • AmpH
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                              • Feb 2012
                              • 1318



                              Time to go to bedfordshire .......

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22183

                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                                What is so staggering about the leitmotifs in Wagner's Ring is that they are all derived from the very opening. All 14 hours of it! I find it absolutely fascinating how Wagner does this and, moreover, propels forward the psychology of the drama by the use of various versions of the leitmotifs.

                                I enjoy both the emotional and technical aspects of music (as exemplified by the above) and feel a frisson of excitement when I spot something hitherto never noticed. For instance, I've known Bruckner 5 since about 1975 but it is only quite recently that I've been aware that the main melody of the scherzo is, note for note, identical to the main melody of the preceding slow movement only, of course, speeded up.
                                Does that make Bruckner a clever or lazy?

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