Ten Pieces Again

[french frank]

encouraging music as a "thinking" activity is a very good thing IMV

I can't conceive of it as NOT being a 'thinking activity'. But not a 'talking about' activity.

[MrGongGong]

I can't conceive of it as NOT being a 'thinking activity'. But not a 'talking about' activity.

I think you would have found this interesting (I did)

http://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/events/conferences/makingthinkingmusic/

[doversoul1]

Hummm

You can have music without sound, I can imagine it without hearing any sounds and that is still music
The minute of listening project is a great example of something that focusses on the act of listening the "what to listen to in music" approach where people are supposed to understand the "elements" of music just kills curiosity and doesn't encourage real deep listening.

Pauline Oliveros also has some interesting things to say about this.

I take this to be:
The minute of listening project is a great example of something that focusses on the act of listening. The "what to listen to in music" approach where people are supposed to understand the "elements" of music just kills curiosity and doesn't encourage real deep listening

If so, I though the latter was exactly what this project was about: where people are expected to find something to talk about in music, instead of just focus on listening.

As for sound and music, my point was ‘you can hear sound without hearing music’.

[MrGongGong]

I take this to be:
The minute of listening project is a great example of something that focusses on the act of listening. The "what to listen to in music" approach where people are supposed to understand the "elements" of music just kills curiosity and doesn't encourage real deep listening

If so, I though the latter was exactly what this project was about: where people are expected to find something to talk about in music, instead of just focus on listening.

As for sound and music, my point was ‘you can hear sound without hearing music’.

Finding "something to talk about" in music isn't about "here's the theme" and "listen for the french horns coming in" which is what the "what to listen to in music" type of approach has been.

Encouraging people to be curious about SOUND is by far the best way (IMV) to encourage a wider listening to music.

What you hear as non-music I can hear as music

Starting with sound is definitely the way to go

[Beef Oven!]

MrGG, very well explained, and personally it works for me, in terms of what I think about music. But what is 'deep listening' and what can make it 'real' or otherwise?

[doversoul1]

Finding "something to talk about" in music isn't about "here's the theme" and "listen for the french horns coming in" which is what the "what to listen to in music" type of approach has been.

Encouraging people to be curious about SOUND is by far the best way (IMV) to encourage a wider listening to music.

What you hear as non-music I can hear as music

Starting with sound is definitely the way to go

So it’s definitely Breakfast and not Discovering Music.

[french frank]

Starting with sound is definitely the way to go

Though with the Ten Pieces project, the aim is to acquaint them, particularly, with the classical repertoire.

I take the idea of the children talking about it together to be mainly attempting to create a kind of group enthusiasm which might make it more likely that they and their own friends will gradually come to develop their curiosity and extend their knowledge and experience - which, as I see it, is the goal - however disappointingly limited some may think it.

[Bryn]

.................................................. music: it isn’t
useful, music isn’t, unless it develops our powers
of audition. But most musicians can’t hear a single
sound, they listen only to the relationship between
two or more sounds. Music for them has nothing to
do with their powers of audition, but only to do
with their powers of observing relationships. In
order to do this, they have to ignore all the crying
babies, fire engines, telephone bells, coughs, that
happen to occur during their auditions. Actually,
if you run into people who are really interested in
hearing sounds, you’re apt to find them fascinated
by the quiet ones. “Did you hear that?” they will
say.

from John Cage: Indeterminacy

[MrGongGong]

MrGG, very well explained, and personally it works for me, in terms of what I think about music. But what is 'deep listening' and what can make it 'real' or otherwise?

http://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2012/may/07/guide-contemporary-music-pauline-oliveros

[Beef Oven!]

http://www.theguardian.com/music/tom...uline-oliveros

Doh! I read that when it was published, but didn't make the connection because I thought 'deep listening' was your term. Thanks.

Edit: Actually, I read a different article, not the Guardian one you've posted. Not that it's impotent.

Now listening to "A Little Noise In The System (moog System)"