The Brahms Experience

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  • kernelbogey
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5736

    #16
    Confusingly, three of the first four items listed in the page linked in the OP above are dated 29 September but in fact are broadcast next Monday 6 October. The whole thing all kicks off with CD Review on 4 October.

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    • richardfinegold
      Full Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 7652

      #17
      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      Confusingly, three of the first four items listed in the page linked in the OP above are dated 29 September but in fact are broadcast next Monday 6 October. The whole thing all kicks off with CD Review on 4 October.
      Looks interesting. The previews aren't long on detail, however.

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      • muzzer
        Full Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 1190

        #18
        I'm looking forward to this but I wonder how many of the old canards they will trot out as they present his 'human' side......

        Is it a Klein-free zone?

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        • Sir Velo
          Full Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 3225

          #19
          Originally posted by muzzer View Post
          Is it a Klein-free zone?
          I think that's the triumph of hope over experience unfortunately.

          However, regular R3 listeners will remember when La Klein presented a short lived Sunday morning show. Memorably she once admitted to an anathema towards Brahms, describing him variously as "stodgy" and "beery". Strange adjectives to use for the 3rd piano sonata; 4th symphony; 1st piano concerto; 1st piano trio; horn trio; the Requiem; the third violin sonata etc.....So, really, she shouldn't be within a million miles of this Brahmsfest.

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5736

            #20
            Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
            describing him variously as "stodgy" and "beery"
            I've often thought that the over-used late life heavily-bearded picture of him has done his reputation no favours.

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            • muzzer
              Full Member
              • Nov 2013
              • 1190

              #21
              Sounds as if she meant to be describing a bad steak and kidney pie.

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              • muzzer
                Full Member
                • Nov 2013
                • 1190

                #22
                And if she doesn't like his music she can always do the other.

                As I find myself doing whenever assailed by her tones.

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                • BBMmk2
                  Late Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20908

                  #23
                  Why havn't R3done a Richard Strauss Season, like this?
                  Don’t cry for me
                  I go where music was born

                  J S Bach 1685-1750

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37595

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                    Why havn't R3 done a Richard Strauss Season, like this?


                    Don't give 'em ideas, BBM!

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post


                      Don't give 'em ideas, BBM!

                      SA, come on now!! :)
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37595

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        SA, come on now!! :)
                        It's funny, BBM, but, as with Liszt, (who exercised I think a not inconsiderable influence on R Strauss), I tend to go with those influenced one way or another by them - preferring Franck, Saint-Saens, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov and Busoni for what they managed to do with Liszt's innovations in form, harmony and orchestration; and in Strauss's case what Szymanowsky, Elgar and Bartok made out of his harmonic sense. In Liszt's case it's the ofttimes downright banality in some of the themes and the way this is thrown at the listener; and in that of Strauss a similar self-regarding pomposity. I also agree with Maurice Ohana in finding Strauss's scores too full of cholesterol; and with Schoenberg who said words to the effect that "Whatever I learned from Strauss" - and I guess he was speaking of harmonic inquisitiveness - "I quickly unlearned".

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                        • Zucchini
                          Guest
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 917

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                          Why havn't R3done a Richard Strauss Season, like this?
                          Because the occupants of nearby offices / studios threatened Radio 3 with an ASBO if they did

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                          • mercia
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8920

                            #28
                            Brahms Experience all kicking off, as we say, tomorrow

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                            • BBMmk2
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20908

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              It's funny, BBM, but, as with Liszt, (who exercised I think a not inconsiderable influence on R Strauss), I tend to go with those influenced one way or another by them - preferring Franck, Saint-Saens, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov and Busoni for what they managed to do with Liszt's innovations in form, harmony and orchestration; and in Strauss's case what Szymanowsky, Elgar and Bartok made out of his harmonic sense. In Liszt's case it's the ofttimes downright banality in some of the themes and the way this is thrown at the listener; and in that of Strauss a similar self-regarding pomposity. I also agree with Maurice Ohana in finding Strauss's scores too full of cholesterol; and with Schoenberg who said words to the effect that "Whatever I learned from Strauss" - and I guess he was speaking of harmonic inquisitiveness - "I quickly unlearned".
                              Personally, though, the harmonic invention of R Strauss, is highly original and this is why I love this composer.
                              Don’t cry for me
                              I go where music was born

                              J S Bach 1685-1750

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                              • kernelbogey
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5736

                                #30
                                Just discovered there are now two threads - mea culpa, Das Fleisch ist nur Grass etc - so I've asked FF to intervene.

                                kb

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