Does it matter what opera singers look like?

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  • amateur51

    #76
    Perhaps Strauss and von Hofmannstahl were on to something when Marie Therese reflects on Octavian at the end .. "He will find happiness ... or what men understand by happiness"

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    • Sir Velo
      Full Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 3225

      #77
      Of one thing we can now be sure: with all this furore stirred up, Glyndebourne's finance director will be rubbing his/her hands with glee.

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      • amateur51

        #78
        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
        Of one thing we can now be sure: with all this furore stirred up, Glyndebourne's finance director will be rubbing his/her hands with glee.
        Does this person often have cause for despair? I thought most productions there played to full houses.

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        • amateur51

          #79
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          ... ooh, I don't know ...
          Are you having a Fassbaender moment, ferney?

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          • Richard Tarleton

            #80
            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            I'm not certain that Leontyne Price, Grace Bumbry and Jessye Norman would agree with you completely.
            Ams, I was thinking of these very ladies, and Ms Verrett, and the roles they have covered between them. Casting in opera is generally colour-blind, as far as I'm aware, and you don't generally hear critical objections to black Lady Macbeths, Leonoras (any of them), or white Aidas or Otellos come to that

            To take a recent example - I don't know the answer to this question, but were objections made to a black Fenton at the ROH?

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #81
              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
              Are you having a Fassbaender moment, ferney?
              How very dare you!





              (But I like you.)
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • amateur51

                #82
                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                Ams, I was thinking of these very ladies, and Ms Verrett, and the roles they have covered between them. Casting in opera is generally colour-blind, as far as I'm aware, and you don't generally hear critical objections to black Lady Macbeths, Leonoras (any of them), or white Aidas or Otellos come to that

                To take a recent example - I don't know the answer to this question, but were objections made to a black Fenton at the ROH?
                My apologies RT, I thought you might be saying that these women had it easy as a result of what Marian Anderson went through.

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                • amateur51

                  #83
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  How very dare you!





                  (But I like you.)

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26527

                    #84
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    Kate Royal, gyrating — totally naked —
                    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                    Lord Healey's Law of Holes applies, I feel.
                    This thread's really gone downhill since I last consulted it this morning
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • teamsaint
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25204

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      This thread's really gone downhill since I last consulted it this morning
                      That wasn't my interpretation of events,really.

                      Educational, i would call it.
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26527

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                        Just caught an interview with Dame Kiri on Today - 7.40, just before the Papers - she is harsh about the critics but thinks the costume and wig are partly to blame and she would have thrown them on the ground and stamped on them if asked to wear them. Recostume her, put her in jodphurs and a pony tail is her advice [though perhaps not jodphurs for the bedroom scene...] She thinks Glyndebourne may have taken their eye off the ball as this has happened around the time of George Christie's death.
                        Yes - here is the coverage... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27516983

                        Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                        jodphurs for the bedroom scene
                        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                        Educational, i would call it.
                        Certainly widened my horizons!
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • jean
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7100

                          #87
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          .... well I enjoy "bitchy" criticism. And I enjoy much criticism that others may deem "unnecessary". I remain unconvinced that this criticism was fundamentally "sexist".
                          I give you Denis O'Neil, again. I don't rmember ever seeing him condemned for his lack of height - or any other man, for that matter.

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                          • Mary Chambers
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1963

                            #88
                            Originally posted by jean View Post
                            I give you Denis O'Neil, again. I don't rmember ever seeing him condemned for his lack of height - or any other man, for that matter.
                            Perhaps not by critics, but definitely by audiences!

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                            • mercia
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8920

                              #89
                              is Octavian described in the stage directions ? [I don't know Rosenkavalier]- is he supposed to be masculine-looking ?

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26527

                                #90
                                Originally posted by mercia View Post
                                is Octavian described in the stage directions ? [I don't know Rosenkavalier]- is he supposed to be masculine-looking ?
                                Don't know but (s)he's clearly supposed to look vaguely credible as a 17 year old lad.
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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