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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by Padraig View Post
    I have lost track of Bach Fridays - this one came up on my you tube, and I have located it on All Of Bach.

    https://www.bachvereniging.nl/en/bwv/bwv-911/
    Much as I admire Schornsheim's playing (what delights her Haydn survey offers), surely these Toccatas belong on a clavichord, rather than a harpsichord?

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    • Padraig
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      • Feb 2013
      • 4237

      Also provided by you tube, not All of Bach. Why I know not.

      From the very first notes, it is clear that Bach wrote the Sonata for viola da gamba in D major, performed here by Mieneke van der Velden and Benjamin Alard ...


      Instrumentation satisfactory, Bryn?

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      • Joseph K
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        • Oct 2017
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        • Mandryka
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          • Feb 2021
          • 1535

          Interesting. Three melody instruments, two of them with identical timbres, but I don't think they're just doubling up, and a plucked instrument mostly in the background. As far as I know the only score we have is the organ score.

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
            Interesting. Three melody instruments, two of them with identical timbres, but I don't think they're just doubling up, and a plucked instrument mostly in the background. As far as I know the only score we have is the organ score.

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            • Mandryka
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              • Feb 2021
              • 1535

              Well blow me over with a feather.

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              • Padraig
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                • Feb 2013
                • 4237

                Thanks again, Joseph K.

                This music from this ensemble just right after today's news reports.

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                • Joseph K
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 7765



                  You're welcome, Padraig.

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                  • seabright
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                    • Jan 2013
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                    • Padraig
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                      • Feb 2013
                      • 4237

                      Originally posted by seabright View Post
                      Belated thanks, and much appreciated. Wonderful arrangement.

                      Something equally wonderful for this Bach Friday:

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                      • Mandryka
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                        • Feb 2021
                        • 1535

                        The business of whether to use the thumb playing scales, mentioned in the notes to the 5th partita. Does anyone know whether it makes a difference you can hear?

                        By the way, there are many many organ pieces called preambulum, including baroque ones from the likes of Tunder and Buxtehude and Scheidemann and Weckmann and Lubeck and Scheidt - some of them quite substantial. It's true that JSB seems to have used the word for what are possibly teaching pieces -- like in the WF Bach little keyboard book. Maybe all those baroque preambula by Scheidemann etc were primarily teaching pieces too.

                        I think that Elina Albach plays really nicely -- I especially enjoyed the fluid phrasing and the way she plays the counterpoint in the sarabande.
                        Last edited by Mandryka; 21-08-22, 16:55.

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                        • Joseph K
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                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7765

                          How about this for unconventional instrumentation?

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                          • Mandryka
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                            • Feb 2021
                            • 1535

                            Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                            How about this for unconventional instrumentation?

                            The horror! The horror! Even this is better than that

                            Provided to YouTube by Universal Music GroupFugue in D Minor [The Art Of The Fugue BWV 1080] · The Swingle SingersJazz Sebastien Bach℗ 1963 Decca Records Fra...




                            We don’t know which instrument it was written for
                            Leonhardt argued very well that it was written for keyboard -- the argument turns on things like the sort of stretches in the score -- he actually argued that it was written for harpsichord but I've never understood that step.

                            We don’t know . . . whether Bach intended the music as material for practice or performance
                            If he didn't intend it for performance, it's hard to imagine why Bach would have added so many elaborations to the first version of the augmentation canon, included articulation and ornamentation indications in both the autograph and the first edition, included a cadenza in cpt8 and the opportunity for a cadenza in cpt 10, rearranged the three part mirror fugue as the more easily playable Fuga a 2 Clav.

                            The order of the 18 sections is unclear
                            But not the first 12, which are numbered.

                            we don’t know whether the piece was ever completed.
                            Humph
                            Last edited by Mandryka; 17-09-22, 13:51.

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                            • Joseph K
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 7765

                              Well, I enjoyed it - though last night I only listened to the first three (not all involve voices).

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                              • Padraig
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                                • Feb 2013
                                • 4237

                                Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                                Well, I enjoyed it - though last night I only listened to the first three (not all involve voices).
                                I did too JK. I've bookmarked it for listening again. I think it's one way to present The Art of Fugue which suits this ensemble very well, giving the parts to various combinations of voices. I have not yet come to the end and I'm hoping that I'm in for a surprise. It has already been a pleasant change from the several versions I once had and on looking at my collection I see that I have kept only one - Rachel Podger with Brecon Baroque.

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