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  • Lento
    Full Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 646

    #16
    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
    Sorry, but that wonderful trio's first movement begins and ends in A minor and its second begins in E major and ends with an allegro section that opens in A major and ends in A minor - so it would be "cheating" only to the extent that it's just the finale that begins in the major and ends in the minor!
    Really sorry to confuse the issue: I meant Tchaik Piano Concerto!

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    • Lento
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      • Jan 2014
      • 646

      #17
      Originally posted by kea View Post
      It is reasonably common for the finale to be in the parallel minor but it usually switches to major at the end
      That's something I wouldn't have expected, even with a late switch to parallel major. Thanks for the interesting reply, btw.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        #18
        Originally posted by kea
        a minor chord was viewed as dissonant in the classical era.
        This was more of a baroque convention, based upon the fact that the 5th harmonic was a major 3rd. By classical times, minor key movements generally ended with minor chords.

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        • kea
          Full Member
          • Dec 2013
          • 749

          #19
          Originally posted by Lento View Post
          That's something I wouldn't have expected, even with a late switch to parallel major. Thanks for the interesting reply, btw.
          Offhand examples -
          Mozart "Alla turca" sonata already mentioned
          Brahms Symphony No. 3
          Haydn Quartets Op 76/1 and 76/3
          Arensky Piano Quintet
          Bruckner Symphony No. 6 and String Quintet
          Berwald Sinfonie singulière
          Shostakovich Symphony No. 15
          one of the Bach cantatas
          etc

          Barber Violin Concerto is an interesting example—G major -> A minor. Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto, after an introduction in D-flat major, then switches to B-flat minor for the main body of the movement, which proceeds to end in B-flat major. This pattern is subsequently repeated: slow movement in D-flat major, leads directly into finale in B-flat minor which ends in B-flat major.

          Another interesting example is the finale of Prokofiev's Symphony No. 6, which starts in E-flat major but seems to be about to end in E-flat minor (the tonality of the first movement). At the very last chord the brass switch back to E-flat major, but too late to give the movement a "happy" ending and dispel the sense of foreboding. The Shostakovich example is similar; though the very last note is a C-sharp (establishing A major rather than A minor, which most of the movement has been in) the previous few minutes of ticking and rattling don't give us the sense that this is much of a resolution. 20th century composers liked this sort of ambiguity of course.

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          • mercia
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8920

            #20
            when people say parallel major, is that what I used to call tonic major ?

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #21
              Originally posted by mercia View Post
              when people say parallel major, is that what I used to call tonic major ?
              Me, too (I did earlier on) - "parallel major" is obviously a well-known convention, but I can't recall encountering it before, and I did think it was an alternative for "relative major". Live and learn.
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              • ahinton
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                • Nov 2010
                • 16122

                #22
                Elgar: Symphony No. 3. It's described as being "in C minor", yet its first movement begins in C major before establishing C minor as its principal tonality within just a few measures (although it also ends in C major) and its finale begins in C major and ends in C minor.

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