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  • Hornspieler
    Late Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 1847

    #61
    The topic is actually "Musical Performers to Avoid" (not neccesarily to condemn)

    I have always been a great Jazz fan; right back to when it was called Jass, but the one period that I tend to avoid is that which includes Miles Davis (never heard him play a phrase lasting more than 6 notes), Dexter Gordon (seemed to be exploring every key on his tenor sax in no particular order) and that manic depressive piano player whose name I can never remember.

    So I can enjoy Dizzie Gillespie and Charlie Parker for their contributions to what Benny Goodman disparagingly called "progressive jazz" but the likes of Courtney Pine and Stan Tracey have revived my interest in where Jazz is now headed in the 21st century.

    To pick up on another topic mentioned: When Sir John Barbirolli took over the Hallé Orchestra, there could be mutterings heard like " ... it would never have done for Sir 'amilton" among the older members. JB himself was a hard act to follow; as both Maurice Handford and James Loughran found to their cost. Similarly, when Sir Malcolm took over the BBCSO from Sir Adrian - some of the older members wanted the man with the long baton back and were openly resentful of the change.

    Groves and Pritchard? Well Groves was a workman who could put a concert together on only a two-hour rehearsal. ( as the watchmaker said, "never take something to pieces if you do not have time to put it back together again") He was also IMHO the favourite accompanist of many a soloist that I ever encountered. Speaking personally, when I auditioned for the BSO, he himself accompanied me; sightreading the piano part of a work that he had probably never seen before and he was so good that I could willingly have continued playing all day.
    Horses for courses - he was what the RLPO needed after their long period with Pritchard's eccentricities and the standard of the present orchestra owes much to Groves' work with them (Ask JLW whether she agrees with that statement)

    HS

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    • amateur51

      #62
      Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
      I think she just gets overcome with enthusiasm because she lives and breathes the music. I attended the Marlboro Festival in rural Vermont a few years ago.
      She and Richard Goode are the current Festival co directors. Her performances wee characterized by many of the traits (?faults?) that have been mentioned in this thread, but what impressed me about her the most was when she wasn't playing. She would sit in the audience with the rest of us, utterly absorbed in the music, and rush the stage after a performance to share her enthusiasm with the performers, virtually trampling anyone in her path. I don't think it is intentional rudeness, just complete absorption in music. I stopped watching her face and just concentrate on the music with my eyes closed, and none of that should be an issue with (audio only) recordings. Her Schubert Impromputus are marvellous.
      With you totally on this one rfg. If you're going to an Uchida concert, buy a ticket where you won't see her face if it bothers you terribly.

      i'm deeply envious of your going to the Marlboro Festival

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      • amateur51

        #63
        On his website, member clive heath used to have a tape transfer of a 'live' recording for Messiaen Turangalila under Sir Charles Groves from around 1969 I think. Sadly, it's no longer available but it was a stonker and I think it had john Ogdon in the piano part.

        One of the earliest recordings of Martha Argerich as an adult pianist is of Prokofiev piano concerto no 3 and Tchaikowsky piano concerto no 1 conducted by André Previn & Sir Charles.The DVD contains a genial interview with Argerich by Sir Charles too.

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        • MrGongGong
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          #64
          I once saw Lang Lang in a nightclub in Switzerland
          I was a bit squiffy but managed to avoid bumping in to him, he's a bit of a funky mover when he gets down

          does that count ?

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          • amateur51

            #65
            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
            I once saw Lang Lang in a nightclub in Switzerland
            I was a bit squiffy but managed to avoid bumping in to him, he's a bit of a funky mover when he gets down

            does that count ?
            Not half as much as being in a nightclub in ... Switzerland?!

            I thought you didn't know how to run a business according to Uncle Gaga?

            Don't night clubs in Switzerland have to finish at the stroke of 21:30 (22:00 at weekends?)

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26527

              #66
              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              I once saw Lang Lang in a nightclub in Switzerland
              I was a bit squiffy but managed to avoid bumping in to him, he's a bit of a funky mover when he gets down

              does that count ?

              On a similar "managing to avoid bumping into" note, driving out of a parking area near the Festival Hall years and years ago, my dad (with me as passenger) almost "T-boned" Claudio Abbado's limo (Claudio'd been conducting the concert we'd just heard). I can still see the Maestro's slightly alarmed look from the back seat of the Merc or whatever as they swept past a few inches from the nose of our car
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Hornspieler
                Late Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 1847

                #67
                BBC CO - Tavener, Lutoslawski, Szymanowski
                Duration: 2 hours, 30 minutes
                First broadcast:Friday 18 April 2014 Penny Gore presents a concert from King's College Cambridge, as part of the Easter at King's festival.

                The first half pays tribute to the late John Tavener, who died last year, with Guy Johnston as soloist in the 1989 BBC Proms commission The Protecting Veil. The second half is given over to music by two Polish composers ending with Szymanowski's Stabat Mater, written in 1926, a unique fusion of liturgy and Polish national folk melodies and rhythms.

                Tavener: The Protecting Veil

                - Interval -

                Lutoslawski: Lachrimosa
                Lutoslawsk:i Musique Funèbre
                Szymanowski: Stabat Mater

                Guy Johnston (cello)
                Aleksandra Zamojska (soprano)
                Anna Radziejewska (alto)
                Jaroslaw Brek (baritone)
                Philharmonia Chorus
                BBC Concert Orchestra
                Stephen Cleobury, conductor


                Here's one that I shall certainly avoid - but it's on Good Friday 18th if it's your cup of tea.

                HS

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                • Ariosto

                  #68
                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  I once saw Lang Lang in a nightclub in Switzerland
                  I was a bit squiffy but managed to avoid bumping in to him, he's a bit of a funky mover when he gets down

                  does that count ?
                  Only if it's in 7/8

                  You were lucky that you only saw him ...

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                  • kea
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 749

                    #69
                    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                    With you totally on this one rfg. If you're going to an Uchida concert, buy a ticket where you won't see her face if it bothers you terribly.
                    I've heard Uchida once, playing the last three Schubert sonatas (at Carnegie IIRC). I didn't notice any weird antics, but I was rather absorbed in the music at the time.

                    I also can't say I've noticed any odd facial expressions from her on my Mozart Piano Concertos CD, but maybe I just need a better speaker system

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                    • amateur51

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                      BBC CO - Tavener, Lutoslawski, Szymanowski
                      Duration: 2 hours, 30 minutes
                      First broadcast:Friday 18 April 2014 Penny Gore presents a concert from King's College Cambridge, as part of the Easter at King's festival.

                      The first half pays tribute to the late John Tavener, who died last year, with Guy Johnston as soloist in the 1989 BBC Proms commission The Protecting Veil. The second half is given over to music by two Polish composers ending with Szymanowski's Stabat Mater, written in 1926, a unique fusion of liturgy and Polish national folk melodies and rhythms.

                      Tavener: The Protecting Veil

                      - Interval -

                      Lutoslawski: Lachrimosa
                      Lutoslawsk:i Musique Funèbre
                      Szymanowski: Stabat Mater

                      Guy Johnston (cello)
                      Aleksandra Zamojska (soprano)
                      Anna Radziejewska (alto)
                      Jaroslaw Brek (baritone)
                      Philharmonia Chorus
                      BBC Concert Orchestra
                      Stephen Cleobury, conductor


                      Here's one that I shall certainly avoid - but it's on Good Friday 18th if it's your cup of tea.

                      HS
                      To which musical performer are you referring here, HS?

                      There's quite a list to choose from - your target should be identified to protect the innocents

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                      • Mary Chambers
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1963

                        #71
                        I could name one or two unwatchable cellists, too, but I won't. It hadn't occurred to me that some of the people named might look at this board, but I suppose they might, so I won't give any more names.

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                        • Barbirollians
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11674

                          #72
                          I saw Sir Charles Groves conduct the RLPO a bit in Sheffield in the late 1980s and his concerts were a blessed relief from the generally boring Halle/Skrowacewski evenings . An Elgar 2 stands out as much the finest concert performance of that work I have ever heard.

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                          • Sir Velo
                            Full Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 3225

                            #73
                            Originally posted by kea View Post
                            I also can't say I've noticed any odd facial expressions from her on my Mozart Piano Concertos CD, but maybe I just need a better speaker system
                            Indeed. It is all rather ridiculous isn't it to write off a performer because they do a passable impression of a contestant in the World Gurning Championships. At most orchestral concerts, there are at least 100 other musicians that one can study, should the need arise.

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                            • Ariosto

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              I saw Sir Charles Groves conduct the RLPO a bit in Sheffield in the late 1980s and his concerts were a blessed relief from the generally boring Halle/Skrowacewski evenings . An Elgar 2 stands out as much the finest concert performance of that work I have ever heard.
                              Oh yes - Charlie Groves was definitely a lot better than Halle/Skrowacewski evenings.

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                              • Ariosto

                                #75
                                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                                To which musical performer are you referring here, HS?

                                There's quite a list to choose from - your target should be identified to protect the innocents
                                Hi Ams - it may well be that you won't get a reply as you are probably on his ignore list, as I'm sure I am!

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