Musicians Face Political Cacaphony NY Times 4/5/14

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  • richardfinegold
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    Musicians Face Political Cacaphony NY Times 4/5/14

    Times critic Anthony Tommasini has an article on Musicians facing pressure to make Political statements protesting Governments that have furthered their careers. He focuses primarily on Venezuelans Gustavo Duadamel and Gabriela Montero, and Russian Conductor Varery Gergiev.
    Montero has apparently criticzed Dudamel for not speaking out against the current government, which among other things, has shot unarmed protestors during a Dudamel led concert by the Simon Bolivar orchestra in Caracas. Gergiev gets examined for his failure to protest the Putin
    government attitude towards Gay Rights, and his signing of a petition endorsing the recent annexation of Crimea gets a a passing mention.
    My first reaction was that there is nothing new in this. The plights and moral dilemmas of Artists under the totalitarian Nazi and USSR
    governments have been explored and documented.
    One wonders why Artists are expected to be more politically visible than other people. Perhaps one justification can be that when an odious regime actively promotes the career of the artist as a way of buffing the image of the regime, then the Artist has more at stake morally. Furtwangler tried to stay above Politics but was sent on tours by the Nazis in an effort to enhance their image as preservationists of German Culture. I have just finished the biography of Rostislav Dubinsky in which he vividly relates the Soviet Government to do the same, as well as to earn needed foreign exchange currency, by (over)working the Borodin Quartet and David Oistakh.
    One feels for Dudamel who is clearly uncomfortable with the controversy. He is a product of El Sistema and goodness knows what he would be doing with his life if not for this program, but he comes off as not at ease with the current troubles in his country. Gergiev is different, as he and Putin appear to be soulmates.
    The article reaches no conclusions, and imo doesn't do a particularly good job of re visitng old controversies, but it is worth a read.
  • Richard Barrett

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    Here is a link to the article:



    Gustavo Dudamel ought IMO to have stood up for the overall record of the Chávez government and its successor, which (despite being opposed by most of the Venezuelan media and the wealthy elite of that country, not to mention years of attempted destabilisation by the USA) continues to be reelected in every election and to enjoy popular support for its diversion of oil profits to the poor instead (heaven forfend) to the rich. As for odious régimes actively promoting their classical-music artists, I wonder how much worse that is than the way that Western governments, especially the UK and US, clearly place no value at all on promoting such artists...
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    • richardfinegold
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      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
      Here is a link to the article:



      Gustavo Dudamel ought IMO to have stood up for the overall record of the Chávez government and its successor, which (despite being opposed by most of the Venezuelan media and the wealthy elite of that country, not to mention years of attempted destabilisation by the USA) continues to be reelected in every election and to enjoy popular support for its diversion of oil profits to the poor instead (heaven forfend) to the rich. As for odious régimes actively promoting their classical-music artists, I wonder how much worse that is than the way that Western governments, especially the UK and US, clearly place no value at all on promoting such artists...
      That is why I pity Dudamel on this one. If he opens his mouth and takes a stand, he either irritates the Human Rights Community or his own Government that has done so much for his career. I imagine Gabriela Montero won't be invited to the Dude's home anytime soon for empenadas...

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      • ahinton
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        #4
        Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
        That is why I pity Dudamel on this one. If he opens his mouth and takes a stand, he either irritates the Human Rights Community or his own Government that has done so much for his career. I imagine Gabriela Montero won't be invited to the Dude's home anytime soon for empenadas...
        No, indeed; it might also be worth noting that she's speaking from the comparative safety of somewhere a fair distance from her native country...

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        • Richard Barrett

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          Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
          the Human Rights Community
          Well, he would irritate the US government... what exactly is the Human Rights Community?

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          • richardfinegold
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            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            Well, he would irritate the US government... what exactly is the Human Rights Community?
            It is a Political Term that gets bandied about in Foregin Affairs journals. I probably wouldn't be able to adequately describe it. I first heard the term described by the former Foreign Minister of Germany, whose name I believe was Gerhard Schroeder. Essentially the idea is that Governments lose legitamacy is they do not respect the rights of individuals, regardless of what end of the Political spectrum is being evaluated or of whatever possibly laudatory accomplishments that Government may have accrued.

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            • richardfinegold
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              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              No, indeed; it might also be worth noting that she's speaking from the comparative safety of somewhere a fair distance from her native country...
              Presumably Dudamel was pretty safe in Los Angeles, where the article mentions he was participating in a talk show with the composer John Adams...

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              • ahinton
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                #8
                Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                Presumably Dudamel was pretty safe in Los Angeles, where the article mentions he was participating in a talk show with the composer John Adams...
                Less so, I suspect, given that he has yet to make his home outside his native country as has Ms Montero...

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                • Barbirollians
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                  It would be interesting if gergiev found himself on the banned travel list . I would not go to a concert he was conducting largely because I find him wearing in non Russian repertory as much as for him being a fellow traveller. I suspect that sort of sanction will only start to have any real effect when Putin's mates who live it up abroad are banned like Abramovic .

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                  • Richard Barrett

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                    Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                    It is a Political Term that gets bandied about in Foregin Affairs journals. I probably wouldn't be able to adequately describe it. I first heard the term described by the former Foreign Minister of Germany, whose name I believe was Gerhard Schroeder. Essentially the idea is that Governments lose legitamacy is they do not respect the rights of individuals, regardless of what end of the Political spectrum is being evaluated or of whatever possibly laudatory accomplishments that Government may have accrued.
                    Gerhard Schröder was the chancellor of Germany, and never served as the foreign minister, and (in distinction to his successor Angela Merkel) as far as I know also never spoke publicly on the subject of human rights, let alone about a "human rights community", but anyway who is supposed to be in this community? and why should Gustavo Dudamel be afraid of irritating them? As for governments not respecting the rights of individuals, it seems to me that there are very few that actually do respect such rights (as opposed to claiming to).

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                    • ahinton
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                      As for governments not respecting the rights of individuals, it seems to me that there are very few that actually do respect such rights (as opposed to claiming to).
                      How painfully true THAT is!...

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                      • richardfinegold
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        How painfully true THAT is!...
                        It is a Political Term. It therefore caries all the baggage that any Political Term would carry.

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                        • richardfinegold
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                          I believe that I mixed up Schroeder and Joschka Fischer. My apologies.

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                          • richardfinegold
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                            It would be interesting if gergiev found himself on the banned travel list . I would not go to a concert he was conducting largely because I find him wearing in non Russian repertory as much as for him being a fellow traveller. I suspect that sort of sanction will only start to have any real effect when Putin's mates who live it up abroad are banned like Abramovic .
                            That would be interesting indeed, Barbs. Placing him on such a list would undoubtedly backfire and create sympathy for Gergiev and indirectly for Putin.
                            Considering the point that a lot of current protest to Putin is because of the Russian Government's perceived intolerance of Gay Rights, I am perhaps a bit surprised that Putin doesn't try somehow to capitalize on Gergiev's advocacy of Tchaikovsky. Or does the Government simply refuse to acknowledge that the Greatest Russian Composer was homosexual?

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                            • Richard Barrett

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                              Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                              It is a Political Term. It therefore caries all the baggage that any Political Term would carry.
                              I'm sorry to labour this point, but you still haven't explained who the "human rights community" is! I'm sure everyone understands that it's a political term, with baggage etc., but you used it in the context of talking about Gustavo Dudamel so you must attach a meaning to it yourself...

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