Roger Wright moves to Aldeburgh Music

[Flosshilde]

Just a thought ...

Bonkers.

[subcontrabass]

..... which is today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26728704

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...s-release.html

From the second of these: "Jonty Claypole has been appointed Director of Arts, and Bob Shennan becomes Director of Music. "

Controller of Radio 2 and Radio 6 Music to become Director of Music. Hmmm

[french frank]

I accept the sums but I don't understand why you see this as a problem.

Well, it's not a problem for me, but it does provide problems for a controller who is forced to spend on some of the most expensive programming in his budget.And I've just remembered that the service licence spend includes an allocation to certain central costs, which means he has even less to spend as he chooses.

Why wouldn't a Head of Music decide that some of the other services could be used for 'serious' listening? If everyone thinks that 'quality' music (judged on its merits, of course) should have a place on Radio 3, what does that say about the music on all the other stations? Radio 2 and Radio 1 are more under fire for not providing much 'public service' content. An ideal chance for them to up their game? Just a thought.

[french frank]

Controller of Radio 2 and Radio 6 Music to become Director of Music. Hmmm

Formerly at Radio 5 Live.

[subcontrabass]

Formerly at Radio 5 Live.

And before that Head of BBC Sport.

[Honoured Guest]

Well, it's not a problem for me, but it does provide problems for a controller who is forced to spend on some of the most expensive programming in his budget.And I've just remembered that the service licence spend includes an allocation to certain central costs, which means he has even less to spend as he chooses.

The Controller doesn't just write a cheque to the Proms and Performing Groups, like paying a tax or utilities bill. They are major resources in programme making.

[french frank]

And before that Head of BBC Sport.

This should give HG some cheer. At present (i.e. before the new appointment):

"In addition Bob is the BBC Controller for Popular Music. This includes overseeing BBC-wide pop music events such as Glastonbury."

[french frank]

The Controller doesn't just write a cheque to the Proms and Performing Groups, like paying a tax or utilities bill. They are major resources in programme making.

That's not disputed. All I'm saying is that the amount of money these 'major resources in programme making' cost Radio 3 is out of proportion to the number of broadcasting hours they provide for Radio 3. That makes them very expensive for Radio 3. Which already has the lowest service licence budget of any other network station. And therefore very difficult for the Controller of Radio 3 to find the money for a decent service.

And I'm saying that if the 'major resources in programme making' and important BBC brands are important to the BBC, the BBC ought not to shift a major amount of the costs on to Radio 3, thus depriving it of the ability to spend on other programming.

[Honoured Guest]

Why wouldn't a Head of Music decide that some of the other services could be used for 'serious' listening? If everyone thinks that 'quality' music (judged on its merits, of course) should have a place on Radio 3, what does that say about the music on all the other stations? Radio 2 and Radio 1 are more under fire for not providing much 'public service' content. An ideal chance for them to up their game? Just a thought.

Yes, the other radio stations do now have more concert programming, including some special commissions. The public service remits of Radio 1 and Radio 2 are much wider than just music, as you know. The point is that all BBC radio stations are part of the BBC, and their output changes over time so that the BBC as a whole provides a range of services appropriate to the time.

[french frank]

Yes, the other radio stations do now have more concert programming, including some special commissions. The public service remits of Radio 1 and Radio 2 are much wider than just music, as you know. The point is that all BBC radio stations are part of the BBC, and their output changes over time so that the BBC as a whole provides a range of services appropriate to the time.

I give up.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

one is beginning to be very frit that the departure of RW is a move by the AUNT Mob in entirely the wrong direction .... it is clear from Carpenter that the argument has ebbed and flowed since the very beginning, the present Trust are a bunch of washed out meedja hacks serving the larger Establishment Gang .... no merit can be expected from such gangsters and careerists ... no one is defining and pursuing a cause at AUNT level, R3 is a pawn in their game ... they did not know a year or so ago why they should have kept R6, do they now want it to be everything?

[Honoured Guest]

That's not disputed. All I'm saying is that the amount of money these 'major resources in programme making' cost Radio 3 is out of proportion to the number of broadcasting hours they provide for Radio 3. That makes them very expensive for Radio 3. Which already has the lowest service licence budget of any other network station. And therefore very difficult for the Controller of Radio 3 to find the money for a decent service.

And I'm saying that if the 'major resources in programme making' and important BBC brands are important to the BBC, the BBC ought not to shift a major amount of the costs on to Radio 3, thus depriving it of the ability to spend on other programming.

OTOH, Radio 3 is the principal beneficiary of the broadcast output of the Proms and Performing Groups, and it is prudent that Radio 3 bears a significant proportion of their costs, as the major stakeholder, most suited to influence their economic, efficient and effective operation.

[amateur51]

OTOH, Radio 3 is the principal beneficiary of the broadcast output of the Proms and Performing Groups, and it is prudent that Radio 3 bears a significant proportion of their costs, as the major stakeholder, most suited to influence their economic, efficient and effective operation.

French frank responded a priori to this in #113

[Honoured Guest]

#113
Quite the contrary: Radio 3 is key to the Proms and the Performing Groups. Neither would have any reason to exist if Radio 3 didn't broadcast the concerts: but there are plenty of other recitals, concerts and CDs that Radio 3 could call on to fill its schedules.

Well, this is getting a bit circular. The BBC constrains Radio 3 with the continuance of the Proms and the Performing Groups. So they are fundamental to Radio 3 unless BBC policy does a u-turn. French Frank would prefer to have a station churning out random acquired programming. Most interested people recognise the contributions of the Proms and Performing Groups to Radio 3, and IMO it makes sense for Radio 3 to have a major stake in responsibility for controlling their costs.

[MickyD]

It sounds very much like Birtspeak to me.