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  • Il Grande Inquisitor
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 961

    #16
    I'm tempted to offer a couple of 'top ten' entries - one for sopranos with whom I'm more familiar with on disc than on stage; the other for current sopranos who could very well challenge them in time.

    Renata Tebaldi
    Mirella Freni
    Suzanne Danco
    Elena Souliotis (yes, I know, a flawed voice, but thrilling - to me - in the same way Callas is to others)
    Birgit Nilsson
    Lisa Della Casa
    Montserrat Caballé
    Antonietta Stella (who, if she was singing today, would be a huge star. Overshadowed by Tebaldi/ Callas)
    Ileana Cotrubas
    Joan Sutherland

    Today's top ten:
    Anja Harteros
    Anna Netrebko
    Aleksandra Kurzak
    Ailyn Pérez
    Anna Caterina Antonacci
    Kristine Opolais
    Nina Stemme
    Renée Fleming
    Ekaterina Scherbachenko
    Miah Persson
    Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....

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    • Richard Tarleton

      #17
      Originally posted by Rolmill View Post
      In no particular order:

      Leontyne Price
      Victoria de los Angeles
      Gundula Janowitz
      Elizabeth Schwarzkopf
      Lucia Popp
      Renata Tebaldi
      Felicity Lott
      Emma Kirkby
      Ellie Ameling
      Rosa Ponselle
      Great list Rolmill. You're the first to mention Ponselle I think, one of the very greatest voices in her chosen repertoire in the 20th century, as far as one can tell from hissy CDs. Very much a case of "Top 10 for what?", IMV. One could easily come up with a Top 10 Wagnerian, or Verdian, sopranos, or bel canto, or song...you have generalists and specialists....there are so many different types of soprano, it depends very much on what you listen to. And Emma Kirkby is unlikely to be on your list if you don't listen to early music....

      How many voting for Callas actually heard her in her prime, i.e. in the 1950s and 1960s, or at all?

      The greatest voice I've heard live, beyond a doubt, is Joan Sutherland, but she was rather sui generis, inhabiting the world of bel canto and for much of her life limiting herself to performing with her husband. How you compare her to Birgit Nilsson, or Emma Kirkby, I have no idea.

      Some favourites heard live:

      Sutherland (Lucia)
      Kiri te Kanawa (Countess, 1972)
      Margaret Price
      Ileana Cotrubas
      Elizabeth Soderstrom
      Felicity Lott
      Nina Stemme
      Anne Evans
      Jessye Norman
      Emma Kirkby

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      • Hornspieler
        Late Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 1847

        #18
        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Some good choices there Ferney but you can't count!

        Arleen Auger
        Felicity Lott
        Anne Schwanewilms
        Kiri te Kanawa
        Lesley Garrett
        Barbara Bonney
        Kate Royal
        Dawn Upshaw
        Joan Rodgers
        Emma Kirkby

        Plus a couple of mezzos

        Alice Coote
        Cecilia Bartoli

        and assuming we are looking at classical for the main list

        a few from pop/rock/jazz/musicals though some of these maybe are mezzos

        Cheryl Bentyne
        Marni Nixon
        Linda Ronstadt
        Judy Collins
        Vikki Carr
        Barbara Streisand
        Mama Cass
        Stacey Kent
        Dianne Reeves
        Sandy Denny

        and Minnie Ripperton who is definitely not a mezzo.

        Oh and I've missed off
        Marti Webb
        Julie Covington
        Linda Thompson
        ........ and what about Cleo Laine?

        One of the most remarkable voices that I have ever heard - and equally good in the classical repertoire, such as Kurt Wiell's "Seven Deadly Sins" and Schoenberg's "Pierrot Lunaire"

        Soprano? She could sing anything from coloratura to basso profundo if a piece required it.

        Hs

        Oh, and I forgot to mention Elisabeth Schumann and Margaret Ritchie.

        Leslie Garret? Yer 'avin' a larf, aint yer?
        Last edited by Hornspieler; 10-03-14, 08:38. Reason: Grumbling Appendix

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        • Rolmill
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 637

          #19
          Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
          Great list Rolmill. You're the first to mention Ponselle I think, one of the very greatest voices in her chosen repertoire in the 20th century, as far as one can tell from hissy CDs.
          Yes, from the ancient CDs she seems as close to being the complete soprano as I'm ever likely to hear. I'm also slightly surprised that no one else has mentioned either Leontyne Price (at her peak, supreme in Verdi) or Elizabeth Schwarzkopf (a "marmite" choice, perhaps, but great in a range of repertoire from Mozart opera to Wolf lieder).

          Very much a case of "Top 10 for what?", IMV. One could easily come up with a Top 10 Wagnerian, or Verdian, sopranos, or bel canto, or song...you have generalists and specialists....there are so many different types of soprano
          I agree, that might be easier - but the (entirely subjective and essentially pointless) inter-genre comparison is fun! Interesting also to distinguish between those heard live and those only heard through recordings (similar to IGI's two lists above).

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          • Tony Halstead
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1717

            #20
            Originally posted by Rolmill View Post
            Yes, from the ancient CDs she seems as close to being the complete soprano as I'm ever likely to hear. I'm also slightly surprised that no one else has mentioned either Leontyne Price (at her peak, supreme in Verdi) or Elizabeth Schwarzkopf (a "marmite" choice, perhaps, but great in a range of repertoire from Mozart opera to Wolf lieder).



            I agree, that might be easier - but the (entirely subjective and essentially pointless) inter-genre comparison is fun! Interesting also to distinguish between those heard live and those only heard through recordings (similar to IGI's two lists above).
            Another 'marmite' choice would be Teresa Stich-Randall, (1927-2007), who, with her pure 'minimal/ non-vibrato' voice was a veritable forerunner of the various 'period' or 'authentic' sopranos of the last 30-odd years.

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            • cloughie
              Full Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 22240

              #21
              Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
              ........ and what about Cleo Laine?

              One of the most remarkable voices that I have ever heard - and equally good in the classical repertoire, such as Kurt Wiell's "Seven Deadly Sins" and Schoenberg's "Pierrot Lunaire"

              Soprano? She could sing anything from coloratura to basso profundo if a piece required it.

              Hs
              Indeed so and daughter Jacqui appears to have inherited the singing genes!

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              • umslopogaas
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1977

                #22
                If we are going to include Florence Foster Jenkins, we should also include Anna Russell, who could sing all the lead roles in Wagner's 'Ring', male or female, God, human, dwarf or Valkyrie. I have CD's of both those ladies in full flight and they are very, very funny.

                While on the subject of greats from the past like Ponselle, what about Amelita Galli-Curci? I have a Nimbus 'Prima Voce' CD of her recordings from the days of four minutes a side and she's certainly the queen of the resounding conclusion!

                I'm a bit mystified by the strength of antagonism to Callas. I can understand that some dont like the actual sound of her voice, but surely no-one can deny she was a great singing actress? Callas in the last fifteen minutes of Cherubini's 'Medea' is terrifying, most soprano's can make Medea sound pretty scary, but Callas can make you want to hide behind the sofa.

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #23
                  Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                  I'm a bit mystified by the strength of antagonism to Callas.
                  ??? Four of us have included her in our lists (or, in one[EDIT: TWO! Cheers, BeefO!] instance, made her their list!) and only Alpie demurred. Richard Tarleton asked how many of us heard her in her heyday, but I don't think this was criticism.

                  Callas in the last fifteen minutes of Cherubini's 'Medea' is terrifying, most soprano's can make Medea sound pretty scary, but Callas can make you want to hide behind the sofa.

                  ... and that Live recording with Bernstein! Brrrrrr!!!!

                  EDIT 2: OK, cloughie doesn't like her either - but he posted after!
                  Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 09-03-14, 16:55.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Beef Oven!
                    Ex-member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 18147

                    #24
                    1. Callas
                    2. Maria Callas
                    3. Maria
                    4. Callas, Maria
                    5. M. Callas
                    6. Mara. C
                    7. Sophia Cecelia Kalos
                    8. Kalos
                    9. Sophia Kalos
                    10. S.C. Kalos

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22240

                      #25
                      Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                      I'm a bit mystified by the strength of antagonism to Callas. I can understand that some dont like the actual sound of her voice, but surely no-one can deny she was a great singing actress?
                      Precisely that I dislike the sound of her voice and that deters me from watching her - at times her voice is unmusical. However dramatic she is I don't want to hear her blaring out at me in a language I cannot understand.

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22240

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        1. Callas
                        2. Maria Callas
                        3. Maria
                        4. Callas, Maria
                        5. M. Callas
                        6. Mara. C
                        7. Sophia Cecelia Kalos
                        8. Kalos
                        9. Sophia Kalos
                        10. S.C. Kalos
                        Maybe you suggest she is su·per·callas·frag·i·lis·tic·ex·pi·al·i·do·cious?

                        ...but then!

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                        • ahinton
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 16123

                          #27
                          Jessye Norman
                          Christine Brewer
                          Felicity Lott
                          Lisa della Casa
                          Birgit Nilsson
                          Sarah Leonard (whom, extraordinarily, no one has yet mentioned)
                          Marion Anderson
                          Jane Manning
                          Renée Fleming
                          Alessandra Marc

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #28
                            Sarah Leonard, indeed - and Phyllis Bryn-Julson and Honor Shepherd.

                            (But wasn't Marian Anderson a contralto? - Anyway, three examples of the magnificent Sarah:

                            There were three rauens sat on a tree, downe a downe, hay downe, hay downe There were three rauens sat on a tree, with a downe, There were three ...

                            Varese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukuA9iJ4bos
                            Feldman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exs9F-888s
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16123

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              (But wasn't Marian Anderson a contralto?
                              Of course! I only included her to see if anyone would notice! (and you didn't let me down!). Wonderful singer, though! (and the typo was unintentional)...

                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Anyway, three examples of the magnificent Sarah:

                              There were three rauens sat on a tree, downe a downe, hay downe, hay downe There were three rauens sat on a tree, with a downe, There were three ...

                              Varese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukuA9iJ4bos
                              Feldman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exs9F-888s
                              ...for which vast thanks!...

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                              • kea
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2013
                                • 749

                                #30
                                I'm afraid I don't listen to post-1800 opera often enough to know most of the well-known sopranos. The vibrato-heavy operatic style puts me off.

                                A couple that come to mind are Emma Kirkby and Montserrat Figueras. And whoever this is.

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