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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    Originally posted by akiralx View Post
    Without wishing to slaughter a sacred cow, I'll be provocative and say the Walter VPO M9 is only of documentary interest, to hear a genuine Mahler acolyte conducting the work. As a recording to listen to M9 it is pretty woeful, as the conductor acknowledged when expressing his frustration that the recording had even been made and released. He much preferred his later recording where his insights are better realised. The VPO playing really veers between acceptable and abysmal, and it unfortunately can't hold a candle to many M9 interpretations released since then.
    Yes, it can be hard to tolerate - but it does give you "the sound of old Vienna" and the tempo/phrasing is also important to hear, less monumentalised than many later efforts. Walter's later CSO stereo one has lately been remastered to superb effect by Pristine Classical but really, the world isn't short of great Mahler 9s - shame that Kondrashin's Moscow one was taped so early, it's amazingly fresh and imaginative but suffers dynamic compression... yes to Maderna, Klemperer, and Haitink's original RCO one.

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    • Parry1912
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      • Nov 2010
      • 963

      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
      but it does give you "the sound of old Vienna"
      Did they play a lot of kazoos in "old vienna"?
      Del boy: “Get in, get out, don’t look back. That’s my motto!”

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      • mathias broucek
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        • Nov 2010
        • 1303

        Originally posted by Parry1912 View Post
        Did they play a lot of kazoos in "old vienna"?

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        • Bryn
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          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          Yes, it can be hard to tolerate - but it does give you "the sound of old Vienna" and the tempo/phrasing is also important to hear, less monumentalised than many later efforts. Walter's later CSO stereo one has lately been remastered to superb effect by Pristine Classical but really, the world isn't short of great Mahler 9s - shame that Kondrashin's Moscow one was taped so early, it's amazingly fresh and imaginative but suffers dynamic compression... yes to Maderna, Klemperer, and Haitink's original RCO one.
          And Ancerl, though for me, Norrington really hits the spot.

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          • HighlandDougie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3080

            Technophobes look away now but, thanks to the eagle eyes of PJPJ who alerted me to their existence, Qobuz is now offering a batch of EMI Classics as 24/96 downloads. Infuriatingly difficult to track down as a group on their website but, for those who can access Qobuz, this is an utter joy:

            Listen to Wolfgang Sawallisch in unlimited streaming on Qobuz and buy the albums in Hi-Res 24-Bit for an unequalled sound quality. Subscription from $10.83/month


            The sound is astonishingly good - and the performances have more than stood the test of time.

            There is some Klemperer, Lipatti in Besançon, Furtwängler (the Brahms Violin and Double Concertos with Menuhin and with Boskovsky/Brabec; Wagner). It looks as if they might have been intended as a second tranche of EMI SACD releases, given the repertoire and performers.

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            • mathias broucek
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1303

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              ... though for me, Norrington really hits the spot.
              I'd duck, if I were you....

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              • DublinJimbo
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                • Nov 2011
                • 1222

                Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
                Qobuz is now offering a batch of EMI Classics as 24/96 downloads. Infuriatingly difficult to track down as a group on their website ...
                Not all that difficult, really.

                Some of the releases offer very short measure, but the total timing of the Samson François is very generous.

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                • HighlandDougie
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3080

                  DJ

                  Duh! I feel even thicker than usual - I spent ages using the search function then gave up so many thanks for the list. Previn/Rachmaninov next I think

                  HD

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                  • Barbirollians
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11668

                    Originally posted by akiralx View Post
                    Without wishing to slaughter a sacred cow, I'll be provocative and say the Walter VPO M9 is only of documentary interest, to hear a genuine Mahler acolyte conducting the work. As a recording to listen to M9 it is pretty woeful, as the conductor acknowledged when expressing his frustration that the recording had even been made and released. He much preferred his later recording where his insights are better realised. The VPO playing really veers between acceptable and abysmal, and it unfortunately can't hold a candle to many M9 interpretations released since then.
                    Really where was that ? He must have authorised the release at the time ?

                    I can see why he was annoyed his 1961 stereo recording was overshadowed. It is a masterly recording - only Barbirolli amd Abbado are in the same league to my ears .

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      Rereleases, shmereleases... give us the NEW!

                      Apart from that miraculous Hyperion/Stenz/Koln/Quixote (which needed a thread to itself), I've been intrigued by the new recording of Haydn's Die Tageszeiten (6,7,8) by La Petite Bande and Kuijken (Accent CD/lossless flac from TCS). The sheer beauty of playing and recording are seductive in themselves despite rather moderate tempi, and the small orchestra (7 winds, 7 strings) can seem to lack the weight and sensuousness of other versions (they don't take you to distant paradisical shores likes Harnoncourt and the VCM in No.6 (ii) - LPB a bit pedestrian here) but the spacious resonance of the acoustic and the way the soloists explore each nuanced detail of the score is heavenly in itself. Sometimes I felt the LPB's expressiveness was too relaxed or restrained, and I'm still not quite sure whether it's erratically brilliant, or a beautiful, radical new exploration - but fascinating it certainly is!

                      (When I first tried the 320 kbps/mp3 excerpts on TCS, I got the impression of a close, dryish recording, but this isn't true - it's very spaciously set in the Galaxy Studios in Mol. Onsite samples can be dynamically compressed sometimes.)
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 17-04-13, 00:39.

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                      • amateur51

                        Sir Adrian - Lord of the Proms

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                        • amateur51

                          Sir Colin Davis - The Philips Years

                          Last edited by Guest; 24-04-13, 20:16. Reason: get it right

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                          • Dave2002
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18008

                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            Sir Colin Davis - The Philips Years

                            http://www.mdt.co.uk/davis-sir-colin...cca-15cds.html
                            That contains the Mozart Symphony 25 I've been looking for http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Decca/4785601, though whether I'll feel it worth paying for the other CDs in the box I'm not so sure. Perhaps the relevant tracks will appear at a reaonable price in a reasonable quality level on a download site.

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12232

                              Here's another fine release from the wonderful ICA label: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Symph...I15T6MR07755AJ

                              Any forum members at this concert?

                              Here's another great release from ICA: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sir-Georg-So...I3ST5HUWJL6RMY

                              I was present at this one!
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • Parry1912
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 963

                                I see that details of Decca's Britten Anniversary box are now available:



                                Cheaper on Amazon, BTW.
                                Del boy: “Get in, get out, don’t look back. That’s my motto!”

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