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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18009

    If CDs aren’t available (I can’t find any immediately) there are several like this - https://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/music-...s-hd_100984417

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
      If CDs aren’t available (I can’t find any immediately) there are several like this - https://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/music-...s-hd_100984417


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      • Stanfordian
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 9309

        This is the opening sections of 2 recent no-holds-barred reviews on classicstoday.com

        A review by David Hurwitz of Bruckner 5 on CPO titled 'Alvin and the Chipmunks Play Bruckner'
        Yes, you saw it correctly. Asking the Tapiola Sinfonietta (about 46 members) to play Bruckner’s Fifth Symphony, his grandest work before the Eighth, is like asking Alvin and the Chipmunks to perform Wagner’s Ring. All of it. The result is cartoonish when not simply silly, emphasized at every point by Mario Venzago’s absurdly rushed tempos and loopy but necessary balances (to allow the strings, 28 strong, to be heard at all). CPO calls this series “A Different Bruckner”, but really it’s nothing more than stupid Bruckner; and at a time when stupid Bruckner is all the rage, that’s saying a lot...

        And another review by David Hurwitz on Oehms titled: CD From Hell - The Worst Ever Mozart Violin Concertos
        How long are we going to have to put up with a crew of tasteless jokers pretending to be experts in “authentic” performance practice selling us junk like this? Just about everything about these recordings is anti-musical, from the unwelcome harpsichord continuo to the patently...
        Last edited by Stanfordian; 22-11-18, 11:33.

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        • Richard Barrett
          Guest
          • Jan 2016
          • 6259

          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
          This is the opening sections of 2 recent no-holds-barred reviews on classicstoday.com

          A review by David Hurwitz of Bruckner 5 on CPO titled 'Alvin and the Chipmunks Play Bruckner'
          Yes, you saw it correctly. Asking the Tapiola Sinfonietta (about 46 members) to play Bruckner’s Fifth Symphony, his grandest work before the Eighth, is like asking Alvin and the Chipmunks to perform Wagner’s Ring. All of it. The result is cartoonish when not simply silly, emphasized at every point by Mario Venzago’s absurdly rushed tempos and loopy but necessary balances (to allow the strings, 28 strong, to be heard at all). CPO calls this series “A Different Bruckner”, but really it’s nothing more than stupid Bruckner; and at a time when stupid Bruckner is all the rage, that’s saying a lot...

          And another review by David Hurwitz on Oehms titled: CD From Hell - The Worst Ever Mozart Violin Concertos
          How long are we going to have to put up with a crew of tasteless jokers pretending to be experts in “authentic” performance practice selling us junk like this? Just about everything about these recordings is anti-musical, from the unwelcome harpsichord continuo to the patently...
          When Hurwitz writes this kind of thing I just know I'm going to like the CDs in question - in the case of the Bruckner I already do!

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
            This is the opening sections of 2 recent no-holds-barred reviews on classicstoday.com

            A review by David Hurwitz of Bruckner 5 on CPO titled 'Alvin and the Chipmunks Play Bruckner'
            Yes, you saw it correctly. Asking the Tapiola Sinfonietta (about 46 members) to play Bruckner’s Fifth Symphony, his grandest work before the Eighth, is like asking Alvin and the Chipmunks to perform Wagner’s Ring. All of it. The result is cartoonish when not simply silly, emphasized at every point by Mario Venzago’s absurdly rushed tempos and loopy but necessary balances (to allow the strings, 28 strong, to be heard at all). CPO calls this series “A Different Bruckner”, but really it’s nothing more than stupid Bruckner; and at a time when stupid Bruckner is all the rage, that’s saying a lot...

            And another review by David Hurwitz on Oehms titled: CD From Hell - The Worst Ever Mozart Violin Concertos
            How long are we going to have to put up with a crew of tasteless jokers pretending to be experts in “authentic” performance practice selling us junk like this? Just about everything about these recordings is anti-musical, from the unwelcome harpsichord continuo to the patently...
            With recommendatons like that, both CDs look to be 'must haves'. "anti-musical", eh? That's Hurwitz to a t. I see that his fellow empty-headed review troll, BMO'H agrees with him re. the Contzen and Goebel's Mozart. I wonder how it gained a 5 from Diapason in June 2014 It's on QOBUZ, so I must check it out. Ah, but not for streaming, for purchase only. Cheaper to by the CDs via the Amazon marketplace, I think.
            Last edited by Bryn; 22-11-18, 12:14. Reason: Update.

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            • vinteuil
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12793

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              With recommendatons like that, both CDs look to be 'must haves'. "anti-musical", eh? That's Hurwitz to a t.
              ... and not a surprise that Bernard 0 Hanlon in his amazon 'review' of the Mozart agrees with Hurwitz.

              Even more clearly a must-have!

              .

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              • Barbirollians
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11669

                That is the one - it is a cracking performance as is the Oistrakh account of the VC with which it is coupled.

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                • jayne lee wilson
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                  This is the opening sections of 2 recent no-holds-barred reviews on classicstoday.com

                  A review by David Hurwitz of Bruckner 5 on CPO titled 'Alvin and the Chipmunks Play Bruckner'
                  Yes, you saw it correctly. Asking the Tapiola Sinfonietta (about 46 members) to play Bruckner’s Fifth Symphony, his grandest work before the Eighth, is like asking Alvin and the Chipmunks to perform Wagner’s Ring. All of it. The result is cartoonish when not simply silly, emphasized at every point by Mario Venzago’s absurdly rushed tempos and loopy but necessary balances (to allow the strings, 28 strong, to be heard at all). CPO calls this series “A Different Bruckner”, but really it’s nothing more than stupid Bruckner; and at a time when stupid Bruckner is all the rage, that’s saying a lot...

                  And another review by David Hurwitz on Oehms titled: CD From Hell - The Worst Ever Mozart Violin Concertos
                  How long are we going to have to put up with a crew of tasteless jokers pretending to be experts in “authentic” performance practice selling us junk like this? Just about everything about these recordings is anti-musical, from the unwelcome harpsichord continuo to the patently...
                  The Venzago Bruckner 5th appeared as long ago as 2014 of course - the final release in a remarkable series; but, hand-on-heart, it is the only one of his cycle which I feel doesn't quite work; a bit of a misfire....as if an interesting interpretation wasn't properly thought-through, or given long enough to settle or mature, to the extent that it is almost the only performance of the set that sounds under-rehearsed.. "rushed" in a more general, discomfiting sense..

                  It gave me cause to wonder if, in the music's very nature, which seems to reach beyond almost all other Bruckner in its Apollonian imagination, the remoteness of its serenity, it needs an interpretative approach and a sound, which Venzago's own conception of Bruckner couldn't quite encompass.

                  ....I may revisit, but I gave it my best shot when it appeared, and I don't think I'll change my mind much...
                  Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 22-11-18, 22:05.

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                  • Beef Oven!
                    Ex-member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 18147

                    I think Hurwitz is wrong to call it 'stupid Bruckner'. Venzago obviously offered a very challenging aural experience with his Bruckner cycle. A challenge that people ostensibly welcomed and went along with, at least in theory. The trouble is, it it was just too quick, too lean and denied people of their right to be fatigued for one and a half hours with reverential, granite hewn, craggy, monolithic, gothic grandeur. They could take the Schubert stuff with 1-3, but No! Not the mighty fifth! Hands off!

                    Hurwtitz and the up-thread mentioned Bernard O'H do offer some interesting perspectives. Sometimes.

                    Hurwitz can come across as a handsome show-off. I do like his writing though.

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                    • MickyD
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 4748

                      Following discussion on the recent Mendelssohn thread, this is due out very soon...really looking forward to getting it as I am a fan of Ronald Brautigam. Here he's using a copy of an 1830 Pleyel

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                      • Richard Barrett
                        Guest
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 6259

                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        I do like his writing though.
                        Me too - in the sense that if he writes an unfavourable review of something I'm almost sure to like it, and vice versa, I find his recommendations highly reliable.

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                        • jayne lee wilson
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 10711

                          Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                          Following discussion on the recent Mendelssohn thread, this is due out very soon...really looking forward to getting it as I am a fan of Ronald Brautigam. Here he's using a copy of an 1830 Pleyel

                          The 24/96 download is already on offer on the BIS site for $11.11, but did you know about this?


                          Never heard it though....

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            The 24/96 download is already on offer on the BIS site for $11.11, but did you know about this?


                            Never heard it though....
                            I think you will find that the content of that disc, plus all the other Mendelssohn concertos, is on this disc. I got is a decade ago, and it's very good. No surround sound, just lots of 2 channel stereo.

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              I think you will find that the content of that disc, plus all the other Mendelssohn concertos, is on this disc. I got is a decade ago, and it's very good. No surround sound, just lots of 2 channel stereo.
                              Yeah, but as the inlay makes clear on the reverse, it is strictly SACD-only, not a hybrid & unplayable on mere redbook machines. So not much use to me.....


                              The earlier one is on Qobuz but I can't see the new one yet....
                              Listen to Ronald Brautigam in unlimited on Qobuz and buy the albums in Hi-Res 24-Bit for an unequalled sound quality. Subscription from £10.83/month
                              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-12-18, 17:53.

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