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  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    Thanks very much HighlandDougie. I'm interested in getting a more recent recording. Someone on here said on another thread that it seemed that whenever this work is considered it's the usual warhorses (Reiner, Karajan, Solti et al) that are referred to and said that there some excellent contemporary recordings about. This recording may give me a different perspective on the work.
    This 2015 release is as full of flair and fascination as you'd expect from Krivine - uncanny ability to switch from lyrical-reflective to full-on brilliance & impact, terrific soloist too.... remarkable orchestral string sound of tensile strength and warmth...



    But.... Caveat Emptor to some extent - it is recorded very close and high-level and could drive some systems into fierceness; I had to switch in my pre-amp attenuator (which I do only rarely) to live with it more enjoyably (24/96 download)...

    No gainsaying its Bartokian Excellence though!

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
      This 2015 release is as full of flair and fascination as you'd expect from Krivine - uncanny ability to switch from lyrical-reflective to full-on brilliance & impact, terrific soloist too.... remarkable orchestral string sound of tensile strength and warmth...



      But.... Caveat Emptor to some extent - it is recorded very close and high-level and could drive some systems into fierceness; I had to switch in my pre-amp attenuator (which I do only rarely) to live with it more enjoyably (24/96 download)...

      No gainsaying its Bartokian Excellence though!
      Thanks Jayne - I think I'll go for this too. I have the technology to tame the fierceness!

      I'll get the download.

      I'm very interested in getting more contemporary Bartok (orchestral) recordings.

      What a great cover! Such lovely immigrants

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      • teamsaint
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 25195



        Nezet - Seguin incomplete Bruckner.
        Last edited by teamsaint; 13-02-18, 23:02.
        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          Hardly "complete". No 0, 00 or completion of the sketches for the final movement of the 9th.

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          • teamsaint
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 25195

            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            Hardly "complete". No 0, 00 or completion of the sketches for the final movement of the 9th.
            Thanks.
            I have edited my post for greater accuracy.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Hardly "complete". No 0, 00 or completion of the sketches for the final movement of the 9th.
              No - very disappointing; and no indication of which editions have been used.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                Thanks.
                I have edited my post for greater accuracy.
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22115

                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  Hardly "complete". No 0, 00 or completion of the sketches for the final movement of the 9th.
                  Fair comment regarding the 0 and 00 but who completed 9?

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                  • jayne lee wilson
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 10711

                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    No - very disappointing; and no indication of which editions have been used.
                    All the individual releases were clear about the editions used (so the boxset probably includes that too - probably on the back):


                    Especially after two recordings of 3/1873 (Dresden & Montreal), I was surprised that he didn't record the 1872 2nd, preferring Haas... and giving a relatively steady, conservative, if very beautifully played, performance.
                    No details on No.1 yet, but it probably isn't - well, I hope it isn't - the Vienna version... on past form should be 1877 Nowak/Haas.
                    Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 14-02-18, 00:40.

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                    • PJPJ
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1461

                      Schaller's Bruckner recordings have been collected together in a box, as you all probably know......

                      Schaller Profil

                      Schaller Profil 2

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7381

                        Originally posted by PJPJ View Post
                        Schaller's Bruckner recordings have been collected together in a box, as you all probably know......

                        Schaller Profil

                        Schaller Profil 2
                        I didn't know. I will confess I wasn't even aware of the recordings. Thanks for the tip. Incidentally, you can save about a tenner (incl p & p) buying form jpc in Germany

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          All the individual releases were clear about the editions used (so the boxset probably includes that too - probably on the back):


                          Especially after two recordings of 3/1873 (Dresden & Montreal), I was surprised that he didn't record the 1872 2nd, preferring Haas... and giving a relatively steady, conservative, if very beautifully played, performance.
                          No details on No.1 yet, but it probably isn't - well, I hope it isn't - the Vienna version... on past form should be 1877 Nowak/Haas.
                          Thank you for that, which clarifies matters considerably - I hadn't realized until last night just how unhelpful the WAB catalogue numbers are for identifying which editions of the symphonies are being used.

                          I'm more attracted to the Schaller set: 18 discs (even with the choral works) suggests that perhaps - just perhaps - there's a cycle that includes all the various different editions of the symphonies that the composer oversaw, together with performing version(s) of his work on the Finale of the Ninth? That's been something I've been hoping for for a long time.
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            Thank you for that, which clarifies matters considerably - I hadn't realized until last night just how unhelpful the WAB catalogue numbers are for identifying which editions of the symphonies are being used.

                            I'm more attracted to the Schaller set: 18 discs (even with the choral works) suggests that perhaps - just perhaps - there's a cycle that includes all the various different editions of the symphonies that the composer oversaw, together with performing version(s) of his work on the Finale of the Ninth? That's been something I've been hoping for for a long time.
                            No, not all the versions, but certainly some rarely heard ones, and including 0 and 00. Two versions of the 9th, each with a completion of the final movement, one by Carragan, the other by Schaller. I have ordered from amazon.co.uk (slightly cheaper and with a more convenient delivery option). It's scheduled for delivery next Tuesday.

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12793

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              I have ordered from amazon.co.uk (slightly cheaper and with a more convenient delivery option). It's scheduled for delivery next Tuesday.
                              ... amazon.de looks even cheaper. Less than 40 euros, incl p&p, delivery 17 Feb...


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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                                ... amazon.de looks even cheaper. Less than 40 euros, incl p&p, delivery 17 Feb...
                                Thaks for that. Duly cancelled and re-ordered, though delivery is a tad problematic. Hopefully a neighbour will take the package in for me.

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