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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
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    Terrific LIVE Schubert from COE/Harnoncourt

    SCHUBERT COE/HARNONCOURT - NEW RELEASE!

    Live performances from the 1988 Styriarte Festival in Graz, these fresh, exciting readings have a marvellous sense of discovery about them, conductor and orchestra finding new insights, new energies, in the music and each other early on in their relationship. NH always brings out detail short- and long-term: listen to how the recap of the 6th is far more dramatic and dynamic than its exposition…..a repeat is rarely literal. But it's not just attack and driving rhythm, the lyrical passages are brought out with unusual, very touching
    tenderness.

    At first I felt the sound balance a little too recessed; this is a smallish orchestra playing in a large space (not an especially reverberant one though) but there’s no lack of detail - just the opposite: the individuality and character of the winds is a delight throughout, the ear soon adjusts and the spaciousness lends a very atmospheric feel.

    Dynamics seemed a little flattened initially, but with an increase in volume everything opened up very pleasingly. These are good, well-balanced Austrian Radio tapings, from a mid-hall perspective, and with applause after each symphony.

    Harnoncourt did some wonderful things in Berlin and Amsterdam, but a few spot check comparisons showed the extra attack and commitment of this new release, a sense of wonder and exploration compelling in such familiar rep.
    I always felt that Harnoncourt worked best and most inventively with smaller groups, COE and CMW; with the BPO and RCOA he had to compromise with their rich pre-existent traditions to some extent, lovely though the results often are. The Berlin Schubert, beautiful though it is, sounds very warm, comfortable and laid-back compared to this set!

    ***
    Up to No.6 so far….saving up the 8th (only 2 movements, well, you can’t have everything)… and 9th for late night…



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    Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 1-6, 8 & 9 (Live)

    Chamber Orchestra of Europe, Nikolaus Harnoncourt


    24-Bit 48.0 kHz - QOBUZ
    CD set available.

    Do have a listen and share your thoughts.....!




    Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 30-11-20, 20:07.
  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #2
    I’ve heard great things about this and I might just have a listen!
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #3
      Come on now, there must be someone else listening to this 8th wonder of the Schubertian symphonic world, surely...

      Some great quotes from COE members, many of whom describe this Schubert experience as life-changing, not least because NH encouraged them to take risks, in the booklet.....
      Stephen Stirling, French Horn, quoting Harnoncourt himself:

      "On the border between security and catastrophe lies beauty..."...
      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-12-20, 14:23.

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      • teamsaint
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        • Nov 2010
        • 25278

        #4
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
        Come on now, there must be someone else listening to this 8th wonder of the Schubertian symphonic world, surely...

        Some great quotes from COE members, many of whom describe this Schubert experience as life-changing, not least because NH encouraged them to take risks, in the booklet.....
        Stephen Stirling, French Horn, quoting Harnoncourt himself:

        "On the border between security and catastrophe lies beauty..."...
        Loaded the set up, but not had a chance yet.........
        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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        • Joseph K
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          • Oct 2017
          • 7765

          #5
          Duly added to my wishlist...

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          • jayne lee wilson
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            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #6
            Coming back around, this time off of CD, and so many felicities to dwell upon: the heavenly weightlessness of the coda to 2 (ii); the fizzing effervescence at the end of 3(i), then the surge of warmth through the slow movement's middle section, the fabulous rollicking horns of the tarantella! One of the best 3rds on record, no doubt at all.
            The terrific pace, bite and drive of the scherzi to 2 and 4.... And such tenderness at the start of each slow movement.
            The 4th always seemed to mean a lot to Harnoncourt, witness his stunning one-off Berlin Phil live reading (Teldec, c/w Schumann 4 1851). Here, it has such fiery impact you feel compelled to follow with the 5th's serenities just to recover! What lovely weight, sonority and delicacy to the strings throughout this No.5.

            "No music on Earth can compare with ours" sang the angelic child in Mahler's Himmlische Leben.
            Did Schubert ever write more beautiful music than the 4th and 5th Symphonies? Possibly; probably, even; and more profound too. But in the moment, listening to these performances, you may find yourself in the zone of your own heaven, and wonder if you would ever want to be anywhere else.......
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 04-12-20, 14:32.

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            • kernelbogey
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              • Nov 2010
              • 5864

              #7
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              Did Schubert ever wrote more beautiful music than the 4th and 5th Symphonies? Possibly, even probably; and more profound too. But in the moment, listening to these performances, you'll wonder if you would ever want be anywhere else....


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              • kernelbogey
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                • Nov 2010
                • 5864

                #8
                "On the border between security and catastrophe lies beauty..."...
                On further reflection, is not that just as true of Schubert's music itself - as a whole?

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                • jayne lee wilson
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                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                  On further reflection, is not that just as true of Schubert's music itself - as a whole?
                  Absolutely, yes.... especially of the piano sonatas which I hold very close to my heart...

                  That constant major-minor flickering, the cyclothymic surges of energy, those strange last chord diminuendi of Symphonies 3 and 9 (which not many conductors dare to play, for very obvious reasons...)....those String Quartets, 810 and 887....
                  An intensely original vision and for me the most tragic of all the early artistic deaths.... I still wonder what Schubert's 12th Symphony might have been like.....closer to Bruckner, or further away...? Just reflect on what we have of the 10th: that extraordinary slow movement.

                  I think its time I faced up to 8 and 9 in the current set (no renumbering round here thanks! Perish the sacrilegious and confusing thought)..... will report back later....
                  Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 04-12-20, 15:44.

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                  • kernelbogey
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #10
                    Cyclothymic... hmmm, hadn't thought of that one - but yes!

                    And the disease (and/or the profered cure) that killed him: the yearning, the longing, and the departure - with the hurdy-gurdy man....

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                    • mikealdren
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1226

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                      Absolutely, yes.... especially of the piano sonatas which I hold very close to my heart...

                      That constant major-minor flickering, the cyclothymic surges of energy, those strange last chord diminuendi of Symphonies 3 and 9 (which not many conductors dare to play, for very obvious reasons...)....those String Quartets, 810 and 887....
                      An intensely original vision and for me the most tragic of all the early artistic deaths.... I still wonder what Schubert's 12th Symphony might have been like.....closer to Bruckner, or further away...? Just reflect on what we have of the 10th: that extraordinary slow movement.

                      I think its time I faced up to 8 and 9 in the current set (no renumbering round here thanks! Perish the sacrilegious and confusing thought)..... will report back later....
                      If only he had lived as long as Mozart. Look at what he wrote in his last year or two and image another 4 years...

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                      • jayne lee wilson
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                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        #12
                        Suffice to say the cycle ends gloriously and remarkably, with an 8th and 9th of that fiery passion and crystalline definition so uniquely characteristic of it from the very start. This wonderful orchestra (working with Harnoncourt for the first time on a complete cycle) sounds in the zone here - effortlessly at the peak of their extraordinary individual and collective powers.

                        The finale of the Great C Major is taut and tensile as you’d expect from Harnoncourt, but has a times a blazing intensity that simply beggars description - the thrill of the players’ discovery, the music remade in the moment. We’ve been here before (many times) but never quite like this.
                        The those four great hammer blows sweep through the room, lifting you out of your chair, arms wide to greet the final peroration, but…..oh yes, Harnoncourt plays the diminuendo on the last chord, so maintaining that strange ambiguity. The audience seem at first stunned into silence, but soon rise to a Proms-style acclaim!

                        The COE’s great gift is a distinctively beautiful warmth and clarity, an ideal strings/wind/brass, solo/ensemble balance which Harnoncourt especially drew out, but with him there is an inner animation of sonority, phrase and rhythm, no note left until fully sounded, here set in such a fresh, sharp and spacious acoustic that the atmosphere of these live performances is as much a performer, a contributor, as the players themselves…..
                        (Intriguingly, Harnoncourt doesn’t take all the repeats you might expect; I’ll leave the excitement of finding out which to future listeners!)

                        This could easily be Record of the Year in any year, but for me it truly is THE ONE for 2020.

                        (​fascinating vid on COE/Harnoncourt here.....https://www.coeurope.org/media/videos/



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                        • MickyD
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 4927

                          #13
                          Pleased to say it got a lengthy mention on Record Review yesterday.

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                          • jayne lee wilson
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                            • Jul 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                            Pleased to say it got a lengthy mention on Record Review yesterday.
                            Thanks for highlighting, will check it out...
                            Colin Anderson's had a go here.....
                            The time: Saturday evening/Sunday morning. The place: my bedroom/office. The music: Schubert’s Eight Symphonies (those composed by his own hand: numbers 1-6; the Unfinished; and the Great C-major). The intention: to listen to the whole cycle uninterrupted (save for tea and necessary breaks). The details: recorded 3-10 July 1988 at the Styriarte Festival in Graz, […]

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                            • Cockney Sparrow
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                              • Jan 2014
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                              #15
                              Record Review Extra tonight will play something from the set. I might be wrong, but it may be a complete symphony (IIRC).

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