Our Summer BAL 12 - Bruckner's 4th Symphony

[Bryn]

Ironically, Bernie declares that the 1888 version of the 4th is his favourite.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... and why, pray, such a snide dig at the eminent Capel Bond?

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... and where, pray, is the comment that has caused you to imagine this?

[vinteuil]

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... and where, pray, is the comment that has caused you to imagine this?

... sorry if I misread - but to my ears "Our Summer BaL - favourite recordings of Capel Bond, perhaps?" was just a smidge patronising?

Well, a "Number Nought" is entirely appropriate with this composer, of course.

...And no doubt there will be a 00 lurking somewhere!

"Our Summer BaL - favourite recordings of Capel Bond", perhaps?

If such was not your intention - mille excuses!



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[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

...And no doubt there will be a 00 lurking somewhere!

"Our Summer BaL - favourite recordings of Capel Bond", perhaps?

(A bit heavy-handed - but no offence intended. )

[vinteuil]

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... sorry - very slow of me


[ ... still recovering from accusations on these threads of having served with the Security Service ]

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[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Now devouring the 1888 version (ed. Korstvedt) with some relish. This Vanska recording sells it very well. To Hell with Hurwitz's pathetic attempt at a debunk of Kostvedt's work. Take Hurwitz's 'argument' that Bruckner bequeathed to the Imperial Library not this 1888 socre but the 1878/80 version. Why would the composer have needed to thus 'bequeath' the 1888? It was already in print! What a troll among music commentators that Hurwitz is.

This couldn't have anything to with his debunking of the vibrato myths?

[Bryn]

This couldn't have anything to with his debunking of the vibrato myths?

Have you actually read his 'paper' on the subject? It's full of bogus 'erudition'. He even classes flutter-tongue as vibrato. Now I know some string players like to disguise their poor intonation by wobbling about, and it does aid projection somewhat, but Mozart pere got it right, as does Norrington, I reckon. Used sparingly it's a very useful expressive technique, but drowning a string section in it is just sickly. Also, when it comes to Norrinton's verbals re. vibrato, it's worth actually listening to performances he conducts. Vibrato is there to be heard, just not used as the standard fall-back approach. If you can't hear it, try looking at the left hands of 'his' string players in readily available videos.

[Beef Oven!]

Ironically, Bernie declares that the 1888 version of the 4th is his favourite.

I didn't know that - but then I'm not as much a follower of Bernie as you are.

[verismissimo]

Our Summer BAL No 69 Bruckner 4

Probably blind, but I can't see that Bruckner 4 has been discussed on these boards. Time to do that?

I've just acquired Matacic with the Philharmonia from 1954 on Testament - claimed to be the first studio recording. (Sounds right to me …)

And I previously have Philharmonia/Klemperer (1965) on LP, and on CD Kolner Rundfunk/Wand (1976), BPO/Barenboim (1992) and LA Phil/Salonen (1997).

What might be a 'library' performance/recording?

[LMcD]

Probably blind, but I can't see that Bruckner 4 has been discussed on these boards. Time to do that?

I've just acquired Matacic with the Philharmonia from 1954 on Testament - claimed to be the first studio recording. (Sounds right to me …)

And I previously have Philharmonia/Klemperer (1965) on LP, and on CD Kolner Rundfunk/Wand (1976), BPO/Barenboim (1992) and LA Phil/Salonen (1997).

What might be a 'library' performance/recording?

In 2014 Stephen Johnson's 1st choice in 'Building a Library' was the Berlin Philharmonic with Gunther Wand.
This discussion could perhaps continue under the 'Bruckner' section of the 'Composers' sub-forum (if that's the correct term). There's nothing specific relating to the 4th at present.

[Pulcinella]

Time to go to the optician, veri?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?16633-Our-Summer-BAL-12-Bruckner-s-4th-Symphony

Not sure if your new thread can now be abandoned/merged, or if number 69 is now committed.

[Richard Tarleton]

I've merged the threads, I hope this is OK, let me know if it isn''t!

[verismissimo]

Time to go to the optician, veri?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?16633-Our-Summer-BAL-12-Bruckner-s-4th-Symphony

Not sure if your new thread can now be abandoned/merged, or if number 69 is now committed.

Yeah. OK. Think those questions are above my pay grade, pulci.

Like my line from the 2012 thread: 'I think the point each week is to speak for ourselves and reach no particular conclusion.'

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I've just acquired Matacic with the Philharmonia from 1954 on Testament - claimed to be the first studio recording. (Sounds right to me …)

Hmmm - probably literally true, in that it was recorded in a recording company studio, but Karl Böhm made the first complete recording of the (Haas version of) the work with the Dresden State Orchestra for Electrola/HMV in studio conditions in the Semperoper in June 1936 (requiring eight 78 rpm discs). If the later DECCA recordings of the VPO made in the Sofiensaal - or, indeed, all those recordings made in Walthamstow Town Hall and other public/civic buildings - count as "studio" (as opposed to "Live") recordings, then so does this.

(As for "a 'library' performance"; if you can only afford the money/space for just one, then that Klemperer disc you already have will do quite as well as any other. )

[Pulcinella]

Yeah. OK. Think those questions are above my pay grade, pulci.

Like my line from the 2012 thread: 'I think the point each week is to speak for ourselves and reach no particular conclusion.'

And it's always good to reconsider previous comments.