Our Summer BAL 51: Elgar's Enigma Variations

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  • Petrushka
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12329

    Our Summer BAL 51: Elgar's Enigma Variations

    I can't remember this being on BAL for ages (has it?) but let's have a go anyway.

    I still have a strong attachment to Philharmonia/Barbirolli in this wonderful work as it was the first recording I ever bought of it (May 1975) and don't mind one bit his typical lingering over details. Nowadays though, I prefer a Nimrod that flows and isn't a lament for war dead or something. I also prefer a good solid organ to give extra weight to those final bars. Step forward Bernard Haitink and the LPO who tick all of my boxes.

    Must admit, it's a long time since I've played many of the versions I have on my shelves so what do Forumites think of the competing claims of Elder, Boult, Colin Davis, Andrew Davies, Solti, Bernstein, Mackerras, among others, and not forgetting Elgar's own recording?
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26575

    #2
    I always reach for Oramo and the CBSO first these days (the 'filler' to a slightly forgettable Gerontius)
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25231

      #3
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      I always reach for Oramo and the CBSO first these days (the 'filler' to a slightly forgettable Gerontius)
      Clearly not a completely forgettable Gerontius, otherwise you would have , er, forgotten it.
      I suppose.
      Anyway,thats probably my contribution to this thread, except to mention Rattle.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #4
        I recently played Barbirolli/Hallé; Del Mar/RPO; Monteux/LSO; and Jochum/LSO - all recordings I have known for decades, but which I've mot played in tears. The one that made the deepest impression was the Jochum - I was surprised at how uninvolving I found Monteux this time.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • EdgeleyRob
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          • Nov 2010
          • 12180

          #5
          There are so many good versions.

          Favourite three

          LSO (81 year old !!!)Boult's 1970 recording (if forced to pick just one).
          BBCSO,Davis.
          Philharmonia,Sinopoli

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          • pastoralguy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7816

            #6
            The first cd I ever bought was Sir Charles Mackerras conducting the LPO in the 'Enigma Variations' c/w 'Falstaff'. What I remember was being able to follow 'Falstaff' with the detailed booklet with convenient tracking so one knew what was going on!

            However, the 'Enigma' was a very fine performance and it's usually the version I go to first.

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26575

              #7
              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
              Clearly not a completely forgettable Gerontius, otherwise you would have , er, forgotten it.
              Hence my 'slightly' ... i.e., I can't recall why I didn't like it! The singers, probably...
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 20575

                #8
                The number of versions I have of this almost begins to challenge my Alpine Symphony collection. Although nothing can surpass Philharmonia/Barbirolli, in my estimation, there are so many other interesting recordings, such as Halle/Elder, with Elgar's original ending, two VPO versions (Solti and JEG) and a piano solo (arranged by the composer) with Maria Garzon.

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                • Barbirollians
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11759

                  #9
                  Boult LSO 1970 -

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                  • Pulcinella
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                    • Feb 2014
                    • 11110

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    I recently played Barbirolli/Hallé; Del Mar/RPO; Monteux/LSO; and Jochum/LSO - all recordings I have known for decades, but which I've mot played in tears. The one that made the deepest impression was the Jochum - I was surprised at how uninvolving I found Monteux this time.
                    Yes, the piece can have that effect on you, ferney.
                    Le mot juste, indeed.


                    Monteux, Del Mar, Handley, and Bernstein here, I think (still in bed; may check later once up!).

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                    • Barbirollians
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11759

                      #11
                      The 1970 Boult is imprinted on me -one of the first four records I owned .As much as I enjoy Jochum.Barbirolli.del Mar and others it remains much my favourite.

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                      • seabright
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 630

                        #12
                        Interesting to read above that the majority of choices are played by British, predominantly London, orchestras. I guess I'm in a minority of one in finding much to enjoy in the versions played by the Philadelphia Orchestra under Eugene Ormandy; the Czech Philharmonic conducted by the 90-year-old Stokowski; the Baltimore Symphony under David Zinman; the Bavarian Radio Symphony conducted by Sir Colin Davis; the RAI Turin Symphony under Barbirolli; the Chicago Symphony under Solti; and one of the finest non-British "Enigma" CDs in my collection, namely that made by the Berlin Radio Symphony conducted by Rolf Kleinert. Someone has uploaded the start of this onto You Tube and it takes you up as far "Troyte" and some sensational timpani playing ...



                        I'm not sure if the rest of that is on You Tube but will check. Mention of the Stokowski performance led me to find just "Nimrod" where he has the Czech Phil strings playing absolutely beautifully and for all their effulgent worth ...

                        Stokowski conducts -- "Nimrod" from Elgar's 'Enigma VariationsThis CD features two 1972 "live" recordings in sumptuous Phase 4 Stereo. Unusually, Stokowski's...

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          Yes, the piece can have that effect on you, ferney.
                          Le mot juste, indeed.
                          Ye gods! Not only did I not see that as I posted, I didn't notice it when I checked it after it appeared. I'm getting on - I need an MOT.

                          Monteux, Del Mar, Handley, and Bernstein here, I think (still in bed; may check later once up!).
                          That's an impressive Guest House you run there, Pulcie!
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Pulcinella
                            Host
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 11110

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            Ye gods! Not only did I not see that as I posted, I didn't notice it when I checked it after it appeared. I'm getting on - I need an MOT.


                            That's an impressive Guest House you run there, Pulcie!

                            Yes, all those breakfasts are a nightmare to coordinate.
                            Too many variations!

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                            • Barbirollians
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11759

                              #15
                              Menuhin,Mackerras(EMI) , Weldon and Barenboim are four other recordings I enjoy of EV.

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