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  • Roger Webb
    Full Member
    • Feb 2024
    • 1010

    Nikolaus Harnoncourt autoritaire, Simon Rattle vif-argent : Emmanuelle Giuliani, Christophe Rousset et Isabelle Werck élisent la version de référence de la Symphonie n°41 « Jupiter » de Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.


    Meant to post this earlier, but the football was so rivetting I couldn't tear myself away!

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26610

      Originally posted by MickyD View Post
      You'd be hard pressed to find two hours of discussion of music by a petit maître on R3 these days!
      … although to be fair we do sometimes get five hours (thanks to Donald Macleod & COTW) on maîtres, petits and petites (to smittims’ chagrin in the latter case, I seem to recall - ‘where do they find them?’ was the comment that springs to mind )
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • MickyD
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 4927

        Yes, that's true, I had forgotten that. Please heaven that programme will at least escape the chop.

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        • Roger Webb
          Full Member
          • Feb 2024
          • 1010

          This Sunday's Tribune, Ravel's 'Bolero'.

          Leonard Slatkin ennuyeux, Pierre Boulez maître des horloges : Jean-Michel Berlemont, Thomas Bitar, Jeanne Marchal et Stéphanie Moreau participent à la Tribune des auditeurs et élisent la version de référence du Boléro de Maurice Ravel.


          This one has the panel made up of listeners, rather than musicologists or critics.

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          • Roger Webb
            Full Member
            • Feb 2024
            • 1010

            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            Interesting that the article has Torvill and Dean to illustrate the uses to which Boléro has been put - sales of Boléro increased most dramatically after the film '10' was released!

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            • Pulcinella
              Host
              • Feb 2014
              • 11332

              I wonder if Bolero was chosen because of this copyright issue: will the French audience/participators be particularly aware of it?
              More intriguing though, if my understanding of the process of choosing the winner is correct, is what the criteria for dismissal will be as the different versions are compared. I would have thought they were all very much of a muchness, but am happy to be enlightened.

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              • MickyD
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 4927

                I would have thought it virtually impossible to listen to six versions of this piece and remember who was better - for that reason alone I am fascinated to try listening to the programme and see how the panellists cope!

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                • Roger Webb
                  Full Member
                  • Feb 2024
                  • 1010

                  Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                  I would have thought it virtually impossible to listen to six versions of this piece and remember who was better - for that reason alone I am fascinated to try listening to the programme and see how the panellists cope!
                  Well, at c.15mins apiece they have time to play them all complete one after the other....and still have half an hour to discuss them......if anyone's still awake!

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                  • Pulcinella
                    Host
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 11332

                    Iirc, Alpie was (is?) one if those who is not at all dismissive of Bolero, and his comments on another thread caused me to get a copy of the score (Eulenberg, including a Naxos recording).

                    Sheet music for Ravel: Boléro: buy online. orchestra (ORCH). Published by Eulenburg. Composer: Ravel. Editor: Orenstein, Arbie.


                    The introduction has some useful comments on the structure, which I might copy across (time and inclination depending) here or even, if there's enough interest, in a new Bolero thread in Talking About Music.

                    PS: Thread already exists in Recordings in discussion:

                    Last edited by Pulcinella; 28-06-24, 09:10.

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                    • MickyD
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 4927

                      Am I right in thinking I read somewhere that Ravel himself was bemused by the success of Boléro and that it was not at all one of his favourite pieces?

                      I should have gone to see the recent film over here in France which tells the story - has it reached the UK yet in some cinemas?

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                      • Roger Webb
                        Full Member
                        • Feb 2024
                        • 1010

                        Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                        Am I right in thinking I read somewhere that Ravel himself was bemused by the success of Boléro and that it was not at all one of his favourite pieces?

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                        I think he said 'C'est une blague'!......and another time, that it was one of his most popular works, but unfortunately contains no music!

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                        • Pulcinella
                          Host
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 11332

                          Roger has told me that he may not be in a position to post for a while, and Micky has told me he might not be around to post tomorrow, so please (anyone else) don't hold back if you happen to listen and/or have anything to say.
                          I'm intrigued to discover the recommended version, and the reasons for dismissing the others.
                          I imagine that the role and style of saxophone playing may feature highly.

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                          • MickyD
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4927

                            All being well, I should be all present and correct to listen to the broadcast this afternoon! I'll do my best to report back ASAP, but fear my brain might be a bit muddy after hearing six versions of this piece in succession!

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                            • Expianoman
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2023
                              • 14

                              The versions discussed were:

                              A. LSO/Monteux
                              B. Boston/Munch
                              C. Anima Eterna/Immerseel
                              D Berlin/Boulez
                              E. Lyon/Slatkin
                              F. Concertgebouw/Chailly

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