BaL 8.02.14 - Vaughan Williams Symphony no. 9

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  • Stanley Stewart
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1071

    I recorded the BAL choice of RVW's Symphony No 9 on Monday morning and, facing an unspecified period of adverse weather, decided to revisit several works on CD and DVD. Of course, O Thou Transcendent and The Passions of VW topped the bill but I also favour an exquisite South Bank Show, rec 1994, in which Ursula Vaughan Williams guides director, Ken Russell, through the 9 Symphonies in a running time of 55 mins; I edited out the commercial breaks when transferring the off-air video to DVD, a few years ago. A clever compilation using Russell telling the story to his granddaughter, using a scapbook for the stills showing the young RVW and we first see Ursula silhouetted as she emerges from a cave, cape flowing behind her, and moving towards the seashore accompanied by the rousing 'Behold the Sea' The interchange of these three characters take us from the turn of the century when RVW was told "That's enough of old Brahms, give us something fresh" and Ursula tells us how he began to escape this ghost with his first symphony. A touch of chutzpah as they approach the London Symphony, parked in a Rolls Royce on the north side of Parliament Square with Big Ben - surrounded by tarpauling during wholesale renovation - in the background, I assumed this sequence was done using back projection but the car moved quickly away and turned left into Whitehall. A fine montage of London shots follow as we hear extracts from Sym 2 on the soundtrack. The Pastoral symphony with WW1 is delicately featured to demonstrate its blend of restraint and intensity with an unexpected shot of the Fallen Soldier sculpture registering strongly with me. This, too, was intercut with a Gloucester cathedral setting with the sweetness of The Lark Ascending - good to see Iona Brown.

    A sense of period, too, with a dinner party including guests David Willcocks, Elizabeth McConochie. A bold Russell touch, too, when a party of guests walk from the foreground into a long shot which is held for at least a couple of minutes with UVW adding closing comments to Sym 3. Made me wonder whether the director was influenced by the end sequence in "The Third Man", in reverse, when the heroine walks from the graveyard of Harry Lime into the foreground over the same time! In both cases it is highly effective.

    We also see sequences of Tod Handley conducting the 6th Symphony - "When you return to RVW you always have to search for the ideas in his huge range." Also Barbirolli conducting the Halle at the Manchester premieres of 7/8 and UVW/KR discuss the subsequent emergence of Sinfonia Antartica as they watch "Scott of the Antartic".

    A haunting seaside shot of Peter Savidge singing the Menelaus Song and a most effective conclusion at Stonehenge with Ursula commenting on the significance of the tolling bell in the ninth symphony indicating where all journeys should end.

    I'm surprised that many of the classic South Bank Shows do not seem to be available on DVD and I treasure my limited collection. Anyhow, I keep a 'master collection' of the RVW Symphonies on a DVD with other favourites, The Quest for Reginald Goodall (1992) and Songs of Farewell (1996) for regular reference. Bet I'm not alone either.
    Last edited by Stanley Stewart; 13-02-14, 11:13. Reason: The sym. numbers game for starters!

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    • FoxyTheCat

      I have that film, introduced by a very youthful Melvyn Bragg.

      It is a fantastic watch for any RVW enthusiast. Ursula's contribution is great but maybe Ken Russell pushed her to far?

      Wonderful cinematography as you would expect from Russell, and an amazing ending.

      If I had the know how to put it on YouTube , I would gladly do so.

      FtC

      BtW Handley is conducting the 6th Symphony and not the 5th.(at least in my version)

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      • Gordon
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1425

        Originally posted by seabright View Post
        The list in #1 shows an LSO / Boult recording. On what label can we find that, as I only know of his two LPO versions. The Stokowski incidentally is as available both as a download and as a conventional CD at £10.15 direct from Cala itself.
        iTunes has a version listed by Boult and LSO issued by Marathon Media but it looks very like the Everest/LPO but mis-labelled. There are three transfers of that LPO version available on iTunes: this one and another by Naxos and another by an outfit called Prominence.

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        • PJPJ
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1461

          Originally posted by Gordon View Post
          iTunes has a version listed by Boult and LSO issued by Marathon Media but it looks very like the Everest/LPO but mis-labelled. There are three transfers of that LPO version available on iTunes: this one and another by Naxos and another by an outfit called Prominence.
          The Everest recording is also available in 24 bit high resolution format:

          Everest - VW 9

          I guess these were transferred from the back-up tapes as the original 35mm film stock is in a terrible state.

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          • Gordon
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            • Nov 2010
            • 1425

            Originally posted by PJPJ View Post
            The Everest recording is also available in 24 bit high resolution format:

            Everest - VW 9

            I guess these were transferred from the back-up tapes as the original 35mm film stock is in a terrible state.
            Thanks PJ - I had not noticed but iTunes also has that version but not in HD of course but as m4a. Looking at the LPO discography at the same Walthamstow sessions Boult and LPO also recorded the Shostakovich 6th.



            I would guess they are from tape too, not so much for the state of the film stock but getting a machine to play it on!! When Everest stopped recording the machines were acquired by Mercury but what happened when they gave up I don't know.

            PS: The booklet for the Everest CD states that the original recording was done on 3 channel tape [Ampex like Mercury] and implies that the film recorder came along later.
            Last edited by Gordon; 13-02-14, 17:27.

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            • seabright
              Full Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 630

              Originally posted by FoxyTheCat View Post
              I have that film, introduced by a very youthful Melvyn Bragg.

              It is a fantastic watch for any RVW enthusiast. Ursula's contribution is great but maybe Ken Russell pushed her to far?

              Wonderful cinematography as you would expect from Russell, and an amazing ending.

              If I had the know how to put it on YouTube , I would gladly do so.

              FtC

              BtW Handley is conducting the 6th Symphony and not the 5th.(at least in my version)
              It's interesting to see more and more references to You Tube here, as it's a unique archive site that contains an astonishing amount of historic classical music footage, both audio and video, that collectors will never hear or see anywhere else, either on the radio or TV. Since we're talking about RVW, here are what I think are just a few choice selections ...

              Vaughan Williams on film and talking ...



              Tippett talking about RVW ...



              And some non-British performance of a few RVW symphonies ...

              The "Sea" Symphony from Madrid, very creditably sung in English by a Spanish choir and soloists after a 1:20 spoken intro ...

              "A Sea Symphony" de Vaughan Williams Orquesta y Coro de RTVE Raquel Lojendio, sopranoRodrigo Esteves, baritonoAdrian Leaper, directorTeatro Monumental, Madri...


              RVW's "Pastoral" superbly played by Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra in 1972 to mark the composer's centenary ...

              Vaughan Williams's 'Pastoral Symphony' dates from 1922 and has its origins in the time that RVW spent in France on active servce during the First World War. ...


              RVW4 with the Bavarian Radio Orchestra under Colin Davis ... Curious that he never recorded a complete cycle ...

              Ralph Vaughan Williams: Symphony No.4 in F minorI. Allegro (00:00)II. Andante moderato (08:17)III. Scherzo: allegro molto (18:28)IV. Finale con epilogo fugat...


              RVW6 with the San Francisco Symphony under Roger Norrington ... How does this compare with his LPO recording? ...

              Another great American orchestra plays one of Ralph Vaughan Williams's symphonies. Previously uploaded here have been RVW's "Pastoral" Symphony with Eugene O...


              RVW8 with Charles Munch and the Boston Symphony from 1958 ... The comments under the video include "great," "wonderful" and "what an incredible Scherzo" ...

              Vaughan Williams's Symphony No. 8 was first performed in 1956 by Sir John Barbirolli and the Halle Orchestra. Its US Premiere followed shortly afterwards, gi...


              Finally, "Dives and Lazarus" from New York in 1954 with Stokowski and the CBS Radio Orchestra ...

              Vaughan Williams's Five Variants of "Dives and Lazarus" for Strings and Harp were given their first performance in New York in 1939, conducted by Sir Adrian ...


              There are hundreds more superb RVW performances on You Tube, so it's a great pity so many collectors seem to be unaware of their existence.

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              • PJPJ
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1461

                Originally posted by Gordon View Post
                Thanks PJ - I had not noticed but iTunes also has that version but not in HD of course but as m4a. Looking at the LPO discography at the same Walthamstow sessions Boult and LPO also recorded the Shostakovich 6th.



                I would guess they are from tape too, not so much for the state of the film stock but getting a machine to play it on!! When Everest stopped recording the machines were acquired by Mercury but what happened when they gave up I don't know.

                PS: The booklet for the Everest CD states that the original recording was done on 3 channel tape [Ampex like Mercury] and implies that the film recorder came along later.
                That is interesting. Unfortunately, none of Boult's Everest recordings were issued in the series released by Classic Records who offered a DVD+CD combination, where the DVD has stereo and the original three channel recording.

                For those of us set up to play more than stereo, the three channel sound shows an extraordinary improvement in soundstage (as it does with the Mercury SACDs with three channels). Although Classic Records released much of the Goossens, Sargent and Stokowski material, as well as a few others, Boult (and Leopold Ludwig) never made the cut, despite my, and I guess others', pleading. It's possible Classic Records had only the 35mm stock, as all of their releases seem to have been made from this.

                However, Boult's VW9 may yet appear on SACD, as the current owners advertised a possible later release on that medium. If so, I am told these will be stereo only.
                Last edited by PJPJ; 14-02-14, 10:58.

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                • amateur51

                  Originally posted by seabright View Post
                  It's interesting to see more and more references to You Tube here, as it's a unique archive site that contains an astonishing amount of historic classical music footage, both audio and video, that collectors will never hear or see anywhere else, either on the radio or TV. Since we're talking about RVW, here are what I think are just a few choice selections ...
                  Choice selections indeed seabright - many thanks for this excellent signpost to your treasure trove

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    thanks for the info there, Seabright. A visit to YouTube this weekend!! :)
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                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                      Choice selections indeed seabright - many thanks for this excellent signpost to your treasure trove
                      I completely agree.

                      I've said it before - this Forum, youTube and Spotify between them now act as the source of information and delight that R3 used to provide pre-1995.
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                      • FoxyTheCat

                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        thanks for the info there, Seabright. A visit to YouTube this weekend!! :)
                        Whilst you are there BBM check this one as well . A superb recording by the Spanish Radio Orchestra at a recent concert in Madrid of the London Symphony.
                        Nicely filmed so the orchestration is very clear to the viewer and my how well they play it . The conductor is Carlos Kalmar.

                        Spanish Radio and Television Orchestra - Carlos Kalmar (cond.) Recorded live in concert on XXVII.IV.2012 at the Teatro Monumental, Madrid.

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                        • verismissimo
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 2957

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          I completely agree.

                          I've said it before - this Forum, youTube and Spotify between them now act as the source of information and delight that R3 used to provide pre-1995.
                          Together with the odd irritation, ferney...

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                          • EdgeleyRob
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12180

                            Posts 111 and 116.
                            Many thanks FTC and Seabright

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
                              Together with the odd irritation, ferney...
                              Ah! But it's the irritants that encourage the oysters to make pearls
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                              • seabright
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                                • Jan 2013
                                • 630

                                Thanks for your encouraging comments about my You Tube RVW selections. It will be interesting to see, particularly after you've listened to the Ormandy and Munch performances, if you agree with the old assertion that "English music doesn't travel" or that RVW "isn't exportable." Speaking personally, I don't want to hear Hungarian and French conductors give carbon copies of Boult or Barbirolli recordings, and thankfully neither of them do, which I think is all to the good. But we'll wait and see how you feel about it! :)

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