BaL 9.11.13 Shostakovitch Symphony no. 8

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  • Sir Velo
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    • Oct 2012
    • 3268

    #16
    I expect many boarders have Mravinsky's electrifying 1982 live account with the Leningrad PO. My 80s Philips CD is a semitone sharp, something which later pressings corrected I believe.

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    • Tapiola
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      • Jan 2011
      • 1690

      #17
      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
      I expect many boarders have Mravinsky's electrifying 1982 live account with the Leningrad PO. My 80s Philips CD is a semitone sharp, something which later pressings corrected I believe.
      Yes, Sir V, a blistering performance. My copy is of the Regis reissue, with correction applied to the pitch.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        #18
        Nobody's mentioned Mariss Jansons?
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • verismissimo
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2957

          #19
          Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
          I expect many boarders have Mravinsky's electrifying 1982 live account with the Leningrad PO. My 80s Philips CD is a semitone sharp, something which later pressings corrected I believe.
          I still have Mravinsky/Leningrad PO live on Melodiya LPs probably from the late 1960s (and acquired then). Is that the same recording as above or an earlier one, I wonder?

          It was my first Shostakovich symphony, completely electrifying - and converted me then to the notion that recordings of live performance could have a vibrancy often missing from ones made in the studio.

          And I wonder if it's a semitone sharp?

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          • LeMartinPecheur
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            • Apr 2007
            • 4717

            #20
            Apart from the already well-aired 'Superdrug' Barshai and the Haitink, Kondrashin and Previn, my shelves yield a version not on EA's list: the 'Grand SO of State Radio and Television' under Alexander Gauk (rec. 7/11/59) on the Russia Revelation label, issued 1996. Can't say I've been particularly thrilled by it so far - any contrary views?
            I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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            • Petrushka
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12340

              #21
              Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
              Apart from the already well-aired 'Superdrug' Barshai and the Haitink, Kondrashin and Previn, my shelves yield a version not on EA's list: the 'Grand SO of State Radio and Television' under Alexander Gauk (rec. 7/11/59) on the Russia Revelation label, issued 1996. Can't say I've been particularly thrilled by it so far - any contrary views?
              Ah yes, I have that Gauk disc and have completely forgotten about. As far as I can recall I've only played it once. Incidentally, my copy says 7 October 1959 not November.

              I also have a 1947 recording from Mravinsky and the Leningrad PO in addition to the rightly praised 1982 account and also the live 1960 RFH performance on BBC Legends (sadly ruined by a bronchial audience - such a shame).
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #22
                Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                Apart from the already well-aired 'Superdrug' Barshai and the Haitink, Kondrashin and Previn, my shelves yield a version not on EA's list: the 'Grand SO of State Radio and Television' under Alexander Gauk (rec. 7/11/59) on the Russia Revelation label, issued 1996. Can't say I've been particularly thrilled by it so far - any contrary views?
                See message #3. I have a soft spot for the way he used portamenti in the second scherzo.

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                • Barbirollians
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11785

                  #23
                  I have that 1982 account on cassette - superb albeit I am sure i rwad somewhere a suggestion it was transferred a semitone sharp - not quite sure how one would do that !

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                  • pastoralguy
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7820

                    #24
                    Originally posted by LaurieWatt View Post
                    It is still available new on Amazon! - and when did deletion ever stop BAL considering a fine recording?
                    Well, there was an 'incident' with the Britten violin concerto and one Ida Haendel...

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                    • Barbirollians
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11785

                      #25
                      Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                      Well, there was an 'incident' with the Britten violin concerto and one Ida Haendel...
                      Except it wasn't deleted ! It was Piers Burton Page again . At least with the Walton it was poor Kyung Wha Chung and her recording that Walton himself adored - that got the " treatment " .

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                      • Ferretfancy
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3487

                        #26
                        I have versions by Previn, Haitink, Rozhdestvensky, Mavrinsky, Barshai, and both Rostropovich recordings. Of these my favourite is the Haitink, which also gets a stunning recording. I did buy the Naxos Pretrenko with the RLPO, but was disappointed by it, and I found the Jansons complete symphonies oddly unsatisfying.
                        I've heard some marvellous live performances of Shostakovich by Jansons, but the set never really takes fire for me. Again, the Petrenko performance, spectacular in its heavily mixed down way doesn't penetrate the music as deeply as Haitink.

                        I did do some direct comparisons between Haitink and Petrenko, using the last twenty minutes of the symphony. Haitink finds depth and subtlety in the quieter passages, particularly in the lower string details where Petrenko generalises. Perhaps the recording engineers are partly to blame.

                        After all my pontificating, what's the odds that Stephen Johnson picks Petrenko ? It will be fun to find out. Incidentally his recent Barbican performance of the 15th Symphony with the RLPO was quite wonderful, so this isn't prejudice on my part.

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                        • LeMartinPecheur
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4717

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                          I have versions by Previn, Haitink, Rozhdestvensky, Mavrinsky, Barshai, and both Rostropovich recordings. Of these my favourite is the Haitink, which also gets a stunning recording. I did buy the Naxos Pretrenko with the RLPO, but was disappointed by it, and I found the Jansons complete symphonies oddly unsatisfying.
                          I've heard some marvellous live performances of Shostakovich by Jansons, but the set never really takes fire for me. Again, the Petrenko performance, spectacular in its heavily mixed down way doesn't penetrate the music as deeply as Haitink.

                          I did do some direct comparisons between Haitink and Petrenko, using the last twenty minutes of the symphony. Haitink finds depth and subtlety in the quieter passages, particularly in the lower string details where Petrenko generalises. Perhaps the recording engineers are partly to blame.

                          After all my pontificating, what's the odds that Stephen Johnson picks Petrenko ? It will be fun to find out. Incidentally his recent Barbican performance of the 15th Symphony with the RLPO was quite wonderful, so this isn't prejudice on my part.
                          I started a thread a while back on the Petrenko Shoster 8 http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...o+shostakovich There would appear to be a fair few boarders who will take a rapid unauthorised exeat should Stephen J pick this one...
                          I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                          • Ferretfancy
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3487

                            #28
                            Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                            I started a thread a while back on the Petrenko Shoster 8 http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...o+shostakovich There would appear to be a fair few boarders who will take a rapid unauthorised exeat should Stephen J pick this one...
                            Thanks for that, I'd rather forgotten the earlier thread on this subject, time passes !
                            Bws Ferret

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12340

                              #29
                              My final verdict would be Haitink/Concertgebouw with the live LPO/Rozhdestvensky as runner up.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • Barbirollians
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11785

                                #30
                                Missed it - who won ?

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