BaL 1.06.13 - Brahms Symphony no 2 in D

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  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11759

    BaL 1.06.13 - Brahms Symphony no 2 in D

    I know we have just had Brahms 3 but I felt compelled to add this by listening to a very recent cheap second-hand purchase of Walter's Columbia SO recording of the work . As much as I like the NYPO version there is a terrific sweep and warmth to this performance - that puts it up with Boult's late HMV recording at the top for me . What immense pleasure there is to be gained from trawling the internet for second-hand copies going for pennies of great apparently deleted performances
  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #2
    The first work by Brahms I ever got to know, courtesy of Loughran and the Hallé on CfP: and that recording is still among my very favourites (and one of the select few that includes the - essential - Exposition repeat). It's gently lyrical, with a clear awareness of the humour of the Symphony, which most others overlook; and it's vey well played and recorded - the best 84p I think I've ever spent!

    Furtwangler hears it differently, and his VPO recording brings out the shadows (descending semitones on the Bass Trombones given miniscule "hairpin" cresc and dim that really disturb) so that the radiant final D major chord really shines. Of modern recordings, only Abbado's magnificent BPO reading matches this - and much better recorded sound, of course.

    I'd be interested to hear any comments on HIPP and Chamber Orchestra performances.

    Glorious work.
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22205

      #3
      BPO Kempe - I know it's mono, but after all these years still tops my list, VPO Monteux just behind it !

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      • vinteuil
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12955

        #4
        I seem to have Jochum with the Berliners and Norrington with the London Classical Players.

        I prefer the latter.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26575

          #5
          The LPO / Jurowski version is I think my favourite http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Symph...5910091&sr=8-1

          Might seem an unlikely choice. But it also swept the board in the French CD critics' 'blind tasting' "Tribune" on France-Musique, leaving Karajan, Abbado, Rattle (all BPO), Kertesz and Gardiner miles behind.
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Petrushka
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12332

            #6
            Not heard the Jurowski which sounds interesting but of those so far mentioned I greatly like the Bruno Walter/CSO, Abbado and Furtwangler but my own personal favourite in this, the Brahms symphony that I found the most difficult, is Haitink and the LSO.
            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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            • verismissimo
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 2957

              #7
              Jurowski's Brahms (in concert) is outstanding in my experience.

              Just listening (again) to my first Second. An ancient Heliodor LP of Bohm with the BPO.

              Seems to me to be a symphony with a multitude of good recordings.

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              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 20575

                #8
                VPO and Kertesz 1960s Decca. Superb in nearly every way, though there's something suspiciously like "wow" in the final.

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                • Barbirollians
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11759

                  #9
                  The Jurowski sounds enticing . The release of this record appears to have passed me by . I have been very impressed by the two recordings by him I have - the recent Honegger CD and the justifiably lauded Mahler 2 .

                  As for Brahms 2 - I have obtained a great deal of pleasure from the Abbado, Loughran and Furtwangler recordings referred to above as well as the Boult .

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                  • jayne lee wilson
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 10711

                    #10
                    Old but very sprightly: Dorati/Minneapolis SO, Klemperer/Philharmonia

                    Warm and gorgeous: Ancerl/Czech PO

                    Revisionist: Harnoncourt/Berlin Phil, Berglund/COE

                    Latest news: Manze/Norrkoping SO - if you don't want the complete cycle, the Manze Brahms symphonies can be downloaded separately (24-bit or lossless) from eClassical.com.

                    One point of interest is that many older recordings like Klemperer and Dorati omit the lengthy first movement repeat, most recent ones observe it, which does affect the structural balance of the whole significantly. (Or try your patience...)

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                    • Barbirollians
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11759

                      #11
                      Ancerl - sounds tempting . I had an old LP of No1 which I did enjoy for the very reasons you describe to his No 2 but someone borrowed it in the mists of time and I never saw it again .

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                        Ancerl - sounds tempting . I had an old LP of No1 which I did enjoy for the very reasons you describe to his No 2 but someone borrowed it in the mists of time and I never saw it again .
                        I agree - I see it's coupled with Suk/Navarra Double Concerto which I had on an old Supraphon LP many years ago. The Ancerl recordings I have are without exception very good eg Mahler 1, Dvorak VC/Romance with Suk!

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                        • Pabmusic
                          Full Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 5537

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          I know we have just had Brahms 3 but I felt compelled to add this by listening to a very recent cheap second-hand purchase of Walter's Columbia SO recording of the work . As much as I like the NYPO version there is a terrific sweep and warmth to this performance - that puts it up with Boult's late HMV recording at the top for me . What immense pleasure there is to be gained from trawling the internet for second-hand copies going for pennies of great apparently deleted performances
                          I agree entirely - Walter/Columbia and Boult. There's a TV programme of Walter rehearing this symphony with a Canadian (youth?) orchestra, which I believe has been on dvd before, but I can't find the details.

                          [Edit]: This is it, but I see it's out of stock: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Great...030220&sr=1-10.

                          But this seems to be the same programme, and it is available: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruno-Walter...6031250&sr=1-1]
                          Last edited by Pabmusic; 27-08-12, 01:38.

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                          • HighlandDougie
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3108

                            #14
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            BPO Kempe - I know it's mono, but after all these years still tops my list, VPO Monteux just behind it !
                            Strongly seconded, although I'm not sure if the Kempe is still available on CD other than as part of a Testament set of all four. I have it in its HMV Concert Classics incarnation. I'd add Chailly/Concertgebouw to the list of modern alternatives (and highly recommend the Suk/Navarra Brahms Double Concerto - still my favourite recording)

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                            • amateur51

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              I agree entirely - Walter/Columbia and Boult. There's a TV programme of Walter rehearing this symphony with a Canadian (youth?) orchestra, which I believe has been on dvd before, but I can't find the details.

                              [Edit]: This is it, but I see it's out of stock: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Great...030220&sr=1-10.

                              But this seems to be the same programme, and it is available: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruno-Walter...6031250&sr=1-1]
                              To whet your appetite, a clip from this video ...

                              https://www.vaimusic.com/product/4235.htmlBruno Walter conducts Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D, Op. 73. 4th movement: Allegro con spirito (Rehearsal segment)Fro...


                              At about 3'40" Walter offers a technical solution which is both quite surprising and wonderfully humane

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