BaL 5.01.13 - Sibelius: Symphony no. 2 in D

[Barbirollians]

Did you find them salymap ? I should love to hear some of Sargent's Sibelius .It seems that early CD issues were soon deleted .

[salymap]

Did you find them salymap ? I should love to hear some of Sargent's Sibelius .It seems that early CD issues were soon deleted .

I don'tknow why - one of our real musicians agreed with me that MS was a very good Sibelian. I think my tapes were copied from someone's LPs- I wish the ones he recorded could be reissued.

[Barbirollians]

His Sibelius 1,2 and 5 ( they are the recordings I can find second hand and expensive on Amazon ) would make a good 2 CD set with some of the shorter pieces he recorded with the VPO thrown in .

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

His Sibelius 1,2 and 5 ( they are the recordings I can find second hand and expensive on Amazon ) would make a good 2 CD set with some of the shorter pieces he recorded with the VPO thrown in .

The Sargent Sibelius 2 (on an MfP LP) was the one in the school library with which I got to know and love the work. It is available as a very inexpensive Amazon MP3 Download - 'tho' I can't vouch for the quality of the sound (these Amazon cheap MP3s are very variable in quality):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sibelius-Symphony-No-2/dp/B007U4AO1Y/ref=sr_1_2?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1357743190&sr=1-2

[salymap]

His Sibelius 1,2 and 5 ( they are the recordings I can find second hand and expensive on Amazon ) would make a good 2 CD set with some of the shorter pieces he recorded with the VPO thrown in .

Yes Barbirollians, he mostly played, 1,2.5 and 7 and rarely the others. Perhaps a letter to someone from you would get them started ?

He is rather badly served by the record companies and glad Ikept tapes and LPs from the past.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Yes Barbirollians, he mostly played, 1,2.5 and 7 and rarely the others.

Fortunately, there is a BBCLegends CD coupling the RVW and Sibelius 4th Symphonies, not too expensive, either:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vaughan-Williams-Symphony-No-Sibelius/dp/B0016KHAUQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357743950&sr=8-2

[salymap]

No Ferney, never remember that one.

[Barbirollians]

Yes Barbirollians, he mostly played, 1,2.5 and 7 and rarely the others. Perhaps a letter to someone from you would get them started ?

He is rather badly served by the record companies and glad Ikept tapes and LPs from the past.

I doubt they would take much notice of me ! A critical reappraisal of his recorded legacy is perhaps overdue . His Gerontius with Heddle Nash is beyond compare .

[PJPJ]

I don'tknow why - one of our real musicians agreed with me that MS was a very good Sibelian. I think my tapes were copied from someone's LPs- I wish the ones he recorded could be reissued.

I bought this some time ago quite cheaply, and there is one reasonably priced used set here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sargent-Conducts-Sibelius-Jean/dp/B00004THE5/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1357746281&sr=1-2

I think MS deserves an Icon box.

[salymap]

I bought this some time ago quite cheaply, and there is one reasonably priced used set here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sargent-Conducts-Sibelius-Jean/dp/B00004THE5/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1357746281&sr=1-2

I think MS deserves an Icon box.

Yes an Icon Box would be lovely before everyone who knew him has passed away. He had his faults like everyone but sometimes after rehearsal, if there was a piano on the platform, he would play and talk in an impromptu way as he did years before my time at the Children's Concerts.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think MS deserves an Icon box.

[Hornspieler]

How right you are (of course), HS. And equally it can't be the LPO which was only formed in 1932. It must be the LSO.

Naxos flags it as the RPO throughout, including in all the spin-off publicity.

It occurs to me that the error is due to the Royal Philharmonic Society, which was certainly in existence for many years before 1930 (founded in 1813~ and celebrates its bi-centenary this year) and this may have been a recording of one of their commisioned concerts.
Various orchestras would have been involved, including the LSO and Queens Hall Orchestras. (See "Royal Philharmonic" by Robert Elkins, which details the history of the Society right up to the post war years)

In 1932, Sir Thomas Beecham, who was a member, founded the London Philharmonic in order to provide an orchestra to fulfill the Royal Philharmonic Society's concert commitments. When Beecham founded the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra after WW2, the RPS gave him sole permission to use the Royal Philharmonic's name in its title. After Beecham's death, the RPO had to obtain the Society' permission to continue using the title, but there was no direct tie.

~ The RPS actually commisioned one of Beethoven's symphonies - I believe it was the 4th.


However, I can remember a RPS concert in the RFH played by the RPO in, as I recall, 1952.

It was the first time that I set eyes upon Alan Civil, who was playing 3rd horn to Dennis Brain.*

*Civil's appearence at that concert was televised and was reported by a viewer to Lt Col O W Geary, his commanding officer in the RA Band.
Geary put him on a charge for deception, as AC had been granted compassionate leave on the grounds that his (then) wife was ill.

Bombardier Civil was demoted to Gunner Civil and due to be posted for "general duties", but Beecham used his influence with the War Office to get AC a discharge from the army on compassionate grounds.

There's a lot more to this story, but it does not belong on this thread.

[amateur51]

It occurs to me that the error is due to the Royal Philharmonic Society, which was certainly in existence for many years before 1930 and this may have been a recording of one of their commisioned concerts.
Various orchestras would have been involved, including the LSO and Queens Hall Orchestras. (See "Royal Philharmonic" by Robert Elkins, which details the history of the Society right up to the post war years)

In 1932, Sir Thomas Beecham, who was a member, founded the London Philharmonic in order to provide an orchestra to fulfill the Royal Philharmonic Society's concert commitments. When Beecham founded the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra after WW2, the RPS gave him sole permission to use the Royal Philharmonic's name in its title. After Beecham's death, the RPO had to obtain the Society' permission to continue using the title, but there was no direct tie.

However, I can remember a RPS concert in the RFH played by the RPO in, as I recall, 1952.

It was the first time that I set eyes upon Alan Civil, who was playing 3rd horn to Dennis Brain.*

HS

*Civil's appearence at that concert was televised and was reported by a viewer to Lt Col O W Geary, his commanding officer in the RA Band.
Geary put him on a charge for deception, as AC had been granted compassionate leave on the grounds that his (then) wife was ill.

Bombardier Civil was demoted to Gunner Civil and due to be posted for "general duties", but Beecham used his influence with the War Office to get AC a discharge from the army on compassionate grounds.

Interesting history HS and a great story

There's a lot more to this story, but it does not belong on this thread.

No names, no pack drill?

[Barbirollians]

It occurs to me that the error is due to the Royal Philharmonic Society, which was certainly in existence for many years before 1930 and this may have been a recording of one of their commisioned concerts.
Various orchestras would have been involved, including the LSO and Queens Hall Orchestras. (See "Royal Philharmonic" by Robert Elkins, which details the history of the Society right up to the post war years)

In 1932, Sir Thomas Beecham, who was a member, founded the London Philharmonic in order to provide an orchestra to fulfill the Royal Philharmonic Society's concert commitments. When Beecham founded the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra after WW2, the RPS gave him sole permission to use the Royal Philharmonic's name in its title. After Beecham's death, the RPO had to obtain the Society' permission to continue using the title, but there was no direct tie.

However, I can remember a RPS concert in the RFH played by the RPO in, as I recall, 1952.

It was the first time that I set eyes upon Alan Civil, who was playing 3rd horn to Dennis Brain.*

HS

*Civil's appearence at that concert was televised and was reported by a viewer to Lt Col O W Geary, his commanding officer in the RA Band.
Geary put him on a charge for deception, as AC had been granted compassionate leave on the grounds that his (then) wife was ill.

Bombardier Civil was demoted to Gunner Civil and due to be posted for "general duties", but Beecham used his influence with the War Office to get AC a discharge from the army on compassionate grounds.

There's a lot more to this story, but it does not belong on this thread.

Why wasn't Lt Col Geary watching such an important musical event ?

[Hornspieler]

Why wasn't Lt Col Geary watching such an important musical event ?

Because he was conducting the RA Band on the Bandstand at Eastbourne, which was where Civil was supposed to be!

It was one of the old ladies in the Grand Hotel, where Geary was staying, who happened to say in all innocence "I saw one of your musicians on television tonight, playing with the Royal Philharmonic orchestra, Colonel" which blue the whistle.

HS