BaL 15.09.12 - Haydn's Sinfonia Concertante in B flat

**vinteuil** · 09-09-12, 16:52

Eine Alpensinfonie -

thanks for this! So glad we can now return to normality after the summer season

I don't know whether the version with Frans Brüggen / Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century is still available (avec Lucy van Dael, violin; Wouter Möller, cello; Ku Ebbinge, oboe; Danny Bond, bassoon). It was included in the philips box of Sturm & Drang / Paris / London symphonies.

**Eine Alpensinfonie** · 09-09-12, 17:18

Vinteuil, thanks for that info. The Bruggen does seem to be available, so I'll add it to the list.

**LeMartinPecheur** · 09-09-12, 17:35

My one-and-only seems to have fallen out of the lists then - VPO/ Bohm (DG 2530 398, 1974). Well-thought-of in its day and c/w Symph 90. Don't think I'll be in any mad rush to replace it - devoted though I am to H's symphonies and at least one of WAM's sinfonia concertantes, this one has never really done it for me. But I'll listen and hope...

Still, bit of an odd choice for BaL, especially for the opening one of the season?

[PS Checks 1975 Penguin Guide: **(*): 'Bohm is genial...more relaxed than Dorati but sometimes sounding a little bland.'
So maybe I do need another, spicier version?

]

Edit: the RiverPeople do seem still to offer this as an MP3. I demand inclusion!

**LeMartinPecheur** · 09-09-12, 19:19

Boarders may be familiar with the rather frequent mis-scannings that afflict the Gramophone's online historical archive of all its disc-reviews. I've just been looking up that for the Bohm LP mentioned above (which incidentally is similar to the Penguin one already quoted).

As we seem to need some cheering up on this board today with the news from Lat, I thought others might appreciate this: "One quickly relates it to Haydn's earlier Slums und Drang period...".

**BBMmk2** · 10-09-12, 08:23

I don't know this work, so this will be interesting to hear. The CoE/Abbado looks rather tempting combination of artists.

**aeolium** · 10-09-12, 08:34

"One quickly relates it to Haydn's earlier Slums und Drang period...".

But doesn't he mean "Slums and Drains"?

This work doesn't sound like a Sturm und Drang work to me, but none the worse for that. I don't have a recording but always try to hear it when it is broadcast on R3. The BRSO/Kempe version looks interesting...

**Tony Halstead** · 10-09-12, 08:55

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

0930 Building a Library: Colin Lawson with a personal recommendation for Haydn's Sinfonia Concertante in B flat

Available versions:-
Chamber Orchestra of Europe, Claudio Abbado
Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Leonard Bernstein
Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century, Frans Brüggen
Cologne Chamber Orchestra, Helmut Muller-Bruhl
Danish State Radio Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Busch
Philharmonia Hungarica, Antal Dorati
Austro-Hungarian Haydn Orchestra, Adam Fischer
Concentus musicus Wien, Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, Mariss Jansons
Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, Rudolf Kempe
Chamber Orchestra of Europe, Roger Norrington
Berliner Philharmoniker, Sir Simon Rattle
Camerata Academica Salzburg, Sándor Végh
Elizabeth Wallfisch (violin), David Watkin (cello), Anthony Robson (oboe), Felix Warnock (bassoon) La Petite Bande, Sigiswald Kuijken

Gordan Nikolic (violin), Herre-Jan Stegenga (cello),Toon Durville (oboe) & Margreet Bongers (bassoon), Netherlands Chamber Orchestra
Philadelphia Orchestra, Franz Liszt Chamber Orchestra
Hermitage Chamber Orchestra

"Elizabeth Wallfisch (violin), David Watkin (cello), Anthony Robson (oboe), Felix Warnock (bassoon) La Petite Bande, Sigiswald Kuijken"
not 'La Petite Bande' ( although I do remember that on the day of the recording the 'band's playing was indeed rather 'petite' if not downright 'twee'

but the cumbersomely named 'Orchestra of The Age of Enlightenment' . Ms Wallfisch directed, not M. Kuijken.

**amateur51** · 10-09-12, 09:12

Originally posted by aeolium View Post

But doesn't he mean "Slums and Drains"?

This work doesn't sound like a Sturm und Drang work to me, but none the worse for that. I don't have a recording but always try to hear it when it is broadcast on R3. The BRSO/Kempe version looks interesting...

Indeed it does aeolium, I do hope that it gets covered (not in the veterinary sense, you understand

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**Dave2002** · 10-09-12, 09:55

I have a Nonesuch LP with Karl Ristenpart conducting. I always enjoyed it a lot. I don't think there's a CD release. I'm not sure how it would compare with more recent performances and recordings. I felt the recording was slightly odd, but not unpleasant, perhaps reverberant for the orchestra and slightly close miked for the soloists.

Some may remember the LP cover with the plummy coloured surround - http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Concerta.../dp/B004MCVB1Y

**aeolium** · 10-09-12, 10:44

Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

I have a Nonesuch LP with Karl Ristenpart conducting. I always enjoyed it a lot. I don't think there's a CD release. I'm not sure how it would compare with more recent performances and recordings. I felt the recording was slightly odd, but not unpleasant, perhaps reverberant for the orchestra and slightly close miked for the soloists.

Some may remember the LP cover with the plummy coloured surround - http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Concerta.../dp/B004MCVB1Y

Dave, I have a soft spot for Ristenpart and his Saar Chamber Orchestra as an LP of them belonging to my brother was my first exposure to Haydn symphonies - I think including the Hornsignal and the Maria Theresa. At that time there was obviously no thought of comparing different versions as relatively few were available (and mostly unaffordable). The LP was much played and much enjoyed, though I doubt any reviewer now would give the performances much consideration.

**LeMartinPecheur** · 10-09-12, 22:09

Originally posted by aeolium View Post

This work doesn't sound like a Sturm und Drang work to me, but none the worse for that.

aeolium: in fact the Slums und Drang quote is in reference to the Symphony No 90 coupling. Sorry to have worried you! I agree that the Sinfonia Concertante is far too good-humoured to qualify.

**verismissimo** · 11-09-12, 07:43

Originally posted by waldhorn View Post

"Elizabeth Wallfisch (violin), David Watkin (cello), Anthony Robson (oboe), Felix Warnock (bassoon) La Petite Bande, Sigiswald Kuijken"
not 'La Petite Bande' ( although I do remember that on the day of the recording the 'band's playing was indeed rather 'petite' if not downright 'twee'

but the cumbersomely named 'Orchestra of The Age of Enlightenment' . Ms Wallfisch directed, not M. Kuijken.

I've only ever had and heard Dorati with his Hungarians in this work. Interested in the Wallfisch/OAE. Let's see how it fares on Saturday.

**rkyburz** · 12-09-12, 08:59

Just for completeness: there's also the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra / Dennis Russell Davies (as part of their complete Haydn symphonies recording), which I prefer over Dorati (in general, as well as for this particular composition) —but these are the only two recordings that I listened to over the past years, and I don't really mean to promote Davies' collection (37 CDs) —it's OK, but nothing to get too excited about (and it includes 3 cutting errors, some fairly serious). I wonder whether Thomas Fey and the Heidelberger Sinfoniker are including the Sinfonia concertante as part of their complete Haydn symphonies project (or have they already?).

**salymap** · 12-09-12, 09:07

There's none so slapdash and inefficient as an ex-librarian.

I have a CD of Haydn's SC but can't find it. Was it coupled with something on a BBCMM CD and I didn't cross-reference it ?? Help please

BaL 15.09.12 - Haydn's Sinfonia Concertante in B flat

BaL 15.09.12 - Haydn's Sinfonia Concertante in B flat

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