BAL 15/1/11 Tchaikovsky: Piano Trio, Op 50

[Mr Pee]

Really?

On the podcast, check at,

6' 14 seconds

9' 20s

11' 6s

14' 47s

21' 12s

29' 25s

31' 15s

37' 00s

38' 22s

I can't say I noticed that either, and I don't think I can be bothered to check all those points on the podcast on the off-chance that I'd get annoyed.

If he was talking over the music, the he deserves a damn good thrashing.

[Basil]

If he was talking over the music, the he deserves a damn good thrashing.

My alter-ego.

As I get older, I become more and more like him!



Back on topic, I agree with his final choice, I have the complete du Pre EMI box, which contains the Beethoven trios, and in those du Pre, Zuckerman & Barenboim really sound as if they are having the time of their lives playing music.

[Don Petter]

If I'm going top live with poor sound, the playing has to be as good as Oistrakh, what a fantastic chamber player he was. Is the Brilliant Classics performance the same one it or a different live performance, does anyone know?
Mike

I wondered which Oistrakh they were using. They are only giving the 'winner' on Ceefax, and I can never find the listings on the R3 site (maybe not there yet, anyway?).

I have the Brilliant box, which does indeed contain the 1948 recording, but it has some annoying distortion early on. (One gets used to the actual acoustic after a while.) There are issues on Doremi and Archipel, I see. The former is also 1948, the latter doesn't say on the MDT site, but I think there is only one such performance to consider. Whether the sound is any better on the more expensive labels, I don't know. Expense is relative, in that the Archipel is only about £6, but in the Brilliant box you get (if still available) 10 Oistrakh CDs for only about three times that.

[mikealdren]

Thanks Don,
I have a version coupled with the Dvorak concerto on the Archipel (German) label. One of the problems with Oistrakh recordings is the sheer number of labels who reissue them so you inevitably end up with lots of duplicates in the various couplings. Let alone the problems with EMI who seem to couple things at random between their various labels. They even included the Cma rondo twice in one of their sets of the Mozart violin concertos!

I have the Brilliant set on order but it's taking some time to arrive.

Mike

[Don Petter]

Thanks Don,
I have a version coupled with the Dvorak concerto on the Archipel (German) label. One of the problems with Oistrakh recordings is the sheer number of labels who reissue them so you inevitably end up with lots of duplicates in the various couplings.
Mike

You're right there, Mike! The Archipel I found (on the MDT site) has it coupled with the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto.

[barber olly]

I have a recording on Leningrad Masters LM1307 which is a compilation made cby Point Classics in 1995. The P Trio (Oistrakh, Oborin, Knushevitsky) is claimed to be a historical recording from 1961, rough edges to the recording but I 've heard much worse. ( The coupling is Hamlet with the Leningrad PO cond Alexander Dmitriev, recorded in 1984.) Is this the same recording as discussed this morning.

[Don Petter]

I have a recording on Leningrad Masters LM1307 which is a compilation made cby Point Classics in 1995. The P Trio (Oistrakh, Oborin, Knushevitsky) is claimed to be a historical recording from 1961, rough edges to the recording but I 've heard much worse. ( The coupling is Hamlet with the Leningrad PO cond Alexander Dmitriev, recorded in 1984.) Is this the same recording as discussed this morning.

Don't know. As Mike says above, these things are all a bit of a minefield, often compounded by scant documentation. All I can offer at the moment is that the Brilliant box and the Doremi purport to be 1948 (as was said to be today's BaL version). The Archipel I have seen referred to (with the Tchaikovsky Concerto) is not given a date. I don't know if Mike's other issue on Archipel (with the Dvorak concerto) has any date given?

[mikealdren]

No it doesn't Don but I assume it's the 1948 performance, unless there's a live performance, I think he only recorded it once, some of the Brilliant recordings are live performances and that was why I asked the question.

Mike

[pastoralguy]

Back on topic, I agree with his final choice, I have the complete du Pre EMI box, which contains the Beethoven trios, and in those du Pre, Zuckerman & Barenboim really sound as if they are having the time of their lives playing music.

Yes, I have that set too. I was surprised that the reviewer didn't mention it. Is it still available?

I was delighted that the reviewer DIDN'T go for a note perfect but sterile performance but a genuine music making event! Good on him!

[pastoralguy]

I heard the Heifetz playing in the background in a bookshop a few years ago and stayed to listen to the end, stunning playing, I must get it!

Mike

Did the Heifetz version get a mention? Maybe it's not readily available. Must seek out a second hand copy.

[Cellini]

Yes, I have that set too. I was surprised that the reviewer didn't mention it. Is it still available?

I was delighted that the reviewer DIDN'T go for a note perfect but sterile performance but a genuine music making event! Good on him!

Yes, I have to agree with you PG, as I too like to hear risk taking and real music making rather than the sterile performances we hear so often these days.

[visualnickmos]

Another superb BaL - apart from having already the "winner" in the giant box set that has the Tchaik as a fill-up at the end of a whole bunch of stunningly spontaneous Beethoven. That said, I was rather taken by the 1948 recording with Oistrakh. I would like to ask if any of you noble lords know whether Oistrakh has made a more recent recording (ie. better sound quality) as I feel this would be a great alternative listening choice.... thanks in advance to all who may be able to help. I have checked on various websites, but seem unable to answer my own question.

[Don Petter]

I don't think there is any other recording around. They are all incarnations of the 1948 recording, which is the only one.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I've just run a search engine and this does indeed seem to be the case.

[visualnickmos]

Thanks chaps - info. very much appreciated. Meanwhile I will carry on enjoying the fun of listening to Du Pre, Barenboim and Zukerman. I have the impression that there are quite a few recordings of this trio (the Tchaik Piano Trio) that don't really cut the mustard.... any thoughts on the Harrel, Ashkenazy and err, - name escapes me... it's EMI....