BaL 30.06.12 - Tchaikovsky's 3rd Symphony in D "Polish"

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

More of a symphony than the Alpine Symphony!

Ouch!

[Hornspieler]

Ouch!

Or the Symphonia Domestica

HS

[Black Swan]

Again, an interesting program but I am not persuaded enough to go out and buy the recommendations. Especially, as the first recommendation is only available as a download.
I am happy enough with the Litton recording which I have.
John

[BBMmk2]

Yes Black Swan, agreee totally. i did'nt care much for RC's creiotque this morning. I did not lke how Markevich interpretatede the sympohony.

BS,m have you the whole Litton cycle? Strongly reccomended if you hav'nt!

[Petrushka]

I played the Karajan the other night in advance of this BaL, the first time I'd heard the work for many years.

I shan't be hurrying to play the piece again. Desperately dull stuff and if the name of Tchaikovsky wasn't on the score it would have sunk without trace long ago - and I speak as a great PT fan.

[Nick Armstrong]

I must say that it wasn't a piece I'd ever heard before, and on this morning's showing I thought it sounded awful - save in the hands of Abbado who as so often can make second rate stuff sound good. But I shan't be troubling the CD vendors this weekend

What on earth was PT up to in the first movement with that endlessly repeated phrase from the finale of Mozart's 39th (7 notes, up then down)? Affectionate tribute, or banal Lloyd-Webberish lifting? You decide. Maybe someone who loves this piece could comment.

[PJPJ]

Are you referring to Tchaikovsky's Third Symphony "Mozartiana"? I do enjoy the Third a lot, and more than the Second which I don't enjoy, or the Fifth which I don't care for at all. And Mozart's 39th is another favourite. I'm intrigued by your question and will have to listen to both this afternoon.

[Roehre]

What on earth was PT up to in the first movement with that endlessly repeated phrase from the finale of Mozart's 39th (7 notes, up then down)? Affectionate tribute, or banal Lloyd-Webberish lifting? You decide. Maybe someone who loves this piece could comment.

It is one of the fingerprints of a more balletic score than a symphonic one - and let's face it, the borderline between a symhony like the "Polish" and the 4 orchestral suites is a very thin one, while these suites themselves have much in common with the suites from the great ballets, especially Swan lake.

[Nick Armstrong]

And Mozart's 39th is another favourite. I'm intrigued by your question and will have to listen to both this afternoon.

It the first 7 notes in the first violins I'm referring to (I'm sure you knew!): http://blog.cas-group.net/wp-content...ymphony_39.png Mozart has a play with them later in the movement. Tchaikovsky just seems to me to be apeing it...

[Roehre]

It the first 7 notes in the first violins I'm referring to (I'm sure you knew!): http://blog.cas-group.net/wp-content...ymphony_39.png Mozart has a play with them later in the movement. Tchaikovsky just seems to me to be apeing it...

IMO certainly no co-incidence given Tchaikovsky's admiration (whether it's consciously done is another matter)

[Nick Armstrong]

IMO certainly no co-incidence given Tchaikovsky's admiration (whether it's consciously done is another matter)

That was my thinking too Roehre.

[Nick Armstrong]

Blimey ferney

I was just contemplating getting that set - thanks for the warning

Maybe it's a HIPP thang

I always loved the Abbado 4, ams... and it was a cassette I had too. Mind you in those days my equipment was pants, everything sounded like tin lids...

I wouldn't be put off trying to hear a modern remastering on decent equipment. Old Claudio makes something of PT's pieces, if you don't want the unhinged brilliance of Mravinsky or Svetlanov

[Nick Armstrong]

i did'nt care much for RC's creiotque this morning. I did not lke how Markevich interpretatede the sympohony.

Oh Bbm! You're back on form! That fistful made my morning!

[amateur51]

I always loved the Abbado 4, ams... and it was a cassette I had too. Mind you in those days my equipment was pants, everything sounded like tin lids...

I wouldn't be put off trying to hear a modern remastering on decent equipment. Old Claudio makes something of PT's pieces, if you don't want the unhinged brilliance of Mravinsky or Svetlanov

You calling Rozhdestvensky 'hinged', old man?

[Nick Armstrong]

You calling Rozhdestvensky 'hinged', old man?

Good point, well made