BaL 9.06.12 - Dvorak's Cello Concerto (merged threads)

[Rolmill]

Thanks to you both fhg and EA. I too have Fournier/Szell in its old incarnation with Bloch and Bruch couplings, a wonderful CD, as well as Rostropovich/Karajan, Casals/CPO/Szell, Ma/Masur, Ma/Maazel and Wispelwey/Renes. All have their merits, though I find I come back to Fournier, Rostropovich and Ma/Masur most frequently. I must LA to the programme I think, as I love the piece and would be keen to hear excerpts from other performances - don't know the Wallfisch recommended as the single CD version, for example, nor the more recent Wispelwey recording with Fischer.

[Nick Armstrong]

Having grown up in Bloomington, Indiana, I was fortunate to hear Starker perform the work live 2 times, as he was on the faculty of Indiana University. My favorite recording is Fournier and Szell. I also have a recording of Slava with Ozawa and the Boston Symphony which includes the Variations on a Rococo theme.

J

I find the only CD I have of the piece is Starker with the LSO and Dorati on Mercury Living Presence. I didn't hear it get a mention and no one's referred to it here although it is mentioned above.

Any views?

It seems I should certainly invest in the Fournier / Szell, I liked what I heard this morning.

[Richard Tarleton]

I find the only CD I have of the piece is Starker with the LSO and Dorati on Mercury Living Presence. I didn't hear it get a mention and no one's referred to it here although it is mentioned above.

Any views?

It seems I should certainly invest in the Fournier / Szell, I liked what I heard this morning.

Calibs he did mention the Starker (I love Janos Starker) and played an extract but referred to the conductor as Antal Dorrity (which may well be correct, I wouldn't dream of arguing with him, but it took me a moment to realise who he was talking about). He also didn't mention Tortelier/Previn, or Tortelier at all - he was my first live perf., cond. Horenstein.

[rauschwerk]

...referred to the conductor as Antal Dorrity...

That's more or less correct as all Hungarian names are accented on the first syllable. He didn't mind being called Dorati though.

[Nick Armstrong]

Calibs he did mention the Starker (I love Janos Starker) and played an extract but referred to the conductor as Antal Dorrity (which may well be correct, I wouldn't dream of arguing with him, but it took me a moment to realise who he was talking about). He also didn't mention Tortelier/Previn, or Tortelier at all - he was my first live perf., cond. Horenstein.

Ah! I was dozing, I confess! I have it recorded and shall listen again, thanks!

Interesting, about Dorati and Hungarian names - thanks, rauschwerk too. My upstairs neighbour pianist is certainly VASary...I'd never thought of extrapolating to other names!

[Richard Tarleton]

Interesting, about Dorati and Hungarian names - thanks, rauschwerk too. My upstairs neighbour pianist is certainly VASary...I'd never thought of extrapolating to other names!

Thanks from me too, rauschwerk.

Not T Vasary, Caliban?

I hope your bed is not positioned immediately under a Steinway concert grand

[gurnemanz]

That's more or less correct as all Hungarian names are accented on the first syllable. He didn't mind being called Dorati though.

That's worth knowing and it makes sense since two of the few facts I know about Finnish are that words are stressed on the first syllable and that it is related to Hungarian as a Finno-Ugric language. It was pointed out to me by a Finn a long time ago when I misplaced the stress on "Kalevala" and it has been a simple and useful rule ever since. (This man also taught me a Finnish exclamation of annoyance which I later found out was grossly offensive and unrepeatable).

[Nick Armstrong]

Thanks from me too, rauschwerk.

Not T Vasary, Caliban?

I hope your bed is not positioned immediately under a Steinway concert grand

Yes Tamás Vásáry (the unaccented 'a' is pronounced more like an 'o' - that much I know!) is my upstairs neighbour.... His flat does not extend above my bedrooms (perhaps fortunately)! But his grand is above the living room and I do hear him practising - on his rare visits. He was here for a couple of days this week practising Debussy's Preludes Book I. It was v pleasant!! The more percussive Bartok and more florid Liszt, less so but I'm not complaining !!

[LeMartinPecheur]

Yes, that's the pressing I bought, still available and going for a song:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dvorak-Cello...9243148&sr=8-1

Many thanks IGI, I've just 'one-clicked' (unclicked?) one from the US of A for well under a fiver inc p&p

My excuse to Mrs LMP will be that I only had one cheap and not very spendid CD version, and I'll obviously now have to throw out my Rostropovich/Karajan LP version as it got pulled up before the first fence this morning.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

That's worth knowing and it makes sense since two of the few facts I know about Finnish are that words are stressed on the first syllable and that it is related to Hungarian as a Finno-Ugric language. It was pointed out to me by a Finn a long time ago when I misplaced the stress on "Kalevala" and it has been a simple and useful rule ever since.

Oh! So should the name Sibelius (which I've always heard pronounced with an accent on the second syllable) properly be pronounced with the accent on the "Sib"? (Sybl-yus?)

[vinteuil]

Oh! So should the name Sibelius (which I've always heard pronounced with an accent on the second syllable) properly be pronounced with the accent on the "Sib"? (Sybl-yus?)

... but isn't the name "Sibelius" actually Swedish?


EDIT - don't know if this helps...

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1095

https://www.languagehat.com/archives/003394.php

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... but isn't the name "Sibelius" actually Swedish?

<DOH> Oh, yes, of course! (Thank goodness for that: it would've been difficult to overcome the familiarity of a lifetime!)

[Richard Tarleton]

My excuse to Mrs LMP will be that I only had one cheap and not very spendid CD version, and I'll obviously now have to throw out my Rostropovich/Karajan LP version as it got pulled up before the first fence this morning.

My advice is just to hide it, and reintroduce it quietly to the shelf in a little while, they never notice. Another reason for the Karajan version, apart from the glorious flute playing of one J Galway, is the coupling - the one time I heard Rostropovich live, he played the Rococo Variations (after the Lutoslawski concerto).

[pastoralguy]

- Fournier's Bach Suites is my favoured set and I don't have a single other recording by him

Without doubt, one of the great recordings of these works...

[PJPJ]

That's more or less correct as all Hungarian names are accented on the first syllable. He didn't mind being called Dorati though.

I wonder whether Le Beau Charles minded being referred to by radio announcers in the US as Charles Munch, rhyming with lunch.

Hungarian names should begin with surname; should we refer to him as Dorati Antal?

That aside, I wouldn't be without Fournier in the Dvorak, Bloch and Elgar even though he is too forwardly balanced.