Originally posted by gurnemanz
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BaL 14.04.12 Mozart Symphony no 41 "Jupiter"
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Originally posted by Roehre View PostBtw, am I the only one who thinks two Jupiters (in my case AAM/Pinnock and CGO/Krips) is enough?
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Originally posted by Roehre View Postam I the only one who thinks two Jupiters (in my case AAM/Pinnock and CGO/Krips) is enough?
That must be a mark of his genius of composing music that is so timeless, open to so many facets of interpretation... I am convinced he would have approved, being the very forward-thinking and progressive man that he was, musically speaking.
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I must admit that I've always struggled a little with this symphony. Is the material interesting enough? There's no doubt that what Mozart does with it is involving, particularly in the last movement of course (where the conventional feel to the motifs has more point, the point being the polyphonic intricacies and cumulative power). But the two main themes in the first movement? Hardly anything there. The slow movement? Not much more than a tired 'classical era' motif (all those sfs rather pointless), but some superb development of the material, of course.
There seems to be a very fine line in Mozart between banality and the sublime. The first theme of the Prague has hardly anything to it either, and yet it is sublime somehow. Similarly with the lyrical second subject: those repeating phrases there become something heavenly. One could go on: the banal theme of the slow movement of K 595, but Mozart gets away with it because of the rest of the material..etc..
I wonder if I am alone in this? I do enjoy the 'Jupiter', but it does not grab me in the solar plexus as the other late symphonies do, at least, not until the last movement coda! But perhaps I've not yet heard the right performance, which brings us back to the next BAL!
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostOf the recordings I have, the Concertgebouw/Krips is my first choice
I have an enormous soft spot for Krips's Concertgebouw readings of the Mozart Symphonies. The latter have never appealed to me half as much as the Piano Concertos, but the understated lilt and wonderful airy balance of the Krips performances and Philips recordings are as satisfying as it gets, for me. They've never really been readily available here I think (maybe as part of some big box set) - I bought up all the individual CDs at bargain price from FNAC in Paris."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Caliban View Post
I have an enormous soft spot for Krips's Concertgebouw readings of the Mozart Symphonies. / ... / They've never really been readily available here I think ]
... the decca 6 CD set of Krips's Mozart symphonies 21-41 readily available on amazon for c. £20
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Originally posted by vinteuil View Post... the decca 6 CD set of Krips's Mozart symphonies 21-41 readily available on amazon for c. £20"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Caliban View PostAh yes... Well it wasn't when I was collecting them, in the days when they were on Philips. Of course, in addition I had the additional pleasures attendant upon browsing a foreign shop and coming out triumphantly with items not then available in the UK, for about 4€ a pop
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostThese days I'm just pleased to be able to browse any record shop, market stall or outlet which has a box or two of CDs or LPs to flip through - they are becoming like hen's teeth!
I was in the Classical section of the remaining HMV on Oxford Street the other day, and idly flipped through the racks - I hadn't the slightest wish to buy anything on impulse."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Caliban View Post[COLOR="#0000FF"]I was in the Classical section of the remaining HMV on Oxford Street the other day, and idly flipped through the racks - I hadn't the slightest wish to buy anything on impulse.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by Caliban View Post[COLOR="#0000FF"]I have an enormous soft spot for Krips's Concertgebouw readings of the Mozart Symphonies. The latter have never appealed to me half as much as the Piano Concertos, but the understated lilt and wonderful airy balance of the Krips performances and Philips recordings are as satisfying as it gets, for me. They've never really been readily available here I think (maybe as part of some big box set)
Of course if you want it on CD rather than as a cheap download, look at the price.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThey were part of the Philips Mozart Edition on LP, which I bought in the early 1980s. The Krips symphonies and the Haebler Piano Concertos were dumped in favour of Marriner and Brendel in the later CD edition.
Of course if you want it on CD rather than as a cheap download, look at the price.
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