BaL 5.11.11 Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony

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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    #31
    Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
    Pewtrushka ... versiopns...
    Reassuring that spell check programmes etc are not ironing out all life's idiosyncracies!

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • vinteuil
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12789

      #32
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Reassuring that spell check programmes etc are not ironing out all life's idiosyncracies!

      ... or indeed idiosyncrasies!
      Last edited by vinteuil; 31-10-11, 14:25.

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      • Nick Armstrong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 26523

        #33
        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        ... or indeed idiosyncrasies!
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12789

          #34
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          ... when Khrushchev slapped his shoe on the desk at the United Nations, Macmillan gently asked for a translation




          Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
          Last edited by vinteuil; 31-10-11, 15:22.

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          • Chris Newman
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 2100

            #35
            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... when Khrushchev slapped his shoe on the desk at the United Nations, Macmillan gently asked for a translation




            www.youtube.com/watch?v=-er3fkMnFYY
            Of course, the real reason Nikita Khrushchev was angry was he had put his watch on the desk and had just smashed it whilst banging the desk with his shoe.

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              #36
              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              With so many versions available, some of them very fine, it might be considered more helpful if the reviewer could point out those that are absolute stinkers and to be avoided at all costs, the remainder being judged as recommendable
              Put it this way. I'm glad they didn't ask me to do this near impossible task.

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              • BBMmk2
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 20908

                #37
                Or is it impossible to do a sensible overview, like when Rob Cowan did his, recently on Dvorak 8th. He had to miss out some very fine recordings?
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • aeolium
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3992

                  #38
                  Or is it impossible to do a sensible overview
                  Yes, I think so - I agree with Petrushka msg 29. There are so many versions out there and many very good and very different versions. Impossible to pick on one except just as a personal preference.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26523

                    #39
                    Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
                    they have STILL not done the 'Eroica' for, it must be at least over 25 years.
                    If that is right it's a great pity and I would love them to cover the 'Eroica'. Rather surprising that they didn't take the opportunity of a "tie-in" with the re-screening of the film on BBC4...
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • MickyD
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 4747

                      #40
                      I only just got in from my shopping - apart from the Kleiber, did he give any recommendations for a HIP version?

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                      • PJPJ
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1461

                        #41
                        He seemed to like Krivine more than most, I think. He didn't care for Immerseel.

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                        • VodkaDilc

                          #42
                          I enjoyed this! I haven't listened to BAL for ages, since I thought it had gone over to the 'chat' format - but this was a solid and informative programme, which was well-prepared and delivered. I thought he was a bit hard on my current favourite (Immerseel) and I feel he should have offered some alternative recommendations, such as a period-style performance (No, Micky, he didn't!) or one with top-notch sound (the Kleiber was rescued from his son's cassette recording!!!).

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                          • Nick Armstrong
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26523

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Biffo View Post
                            There are so many excellent Pastorals available it is odd (perverse?) of the French critics to choose C Kleiber

                            Not that perverse, it seems. Most interesting to hear John Deathridge's agreement with the French critics. That Kleiber performance seems to have a magic which transcends the 'home-made' audio quality.

                            I enjoyed this BAL a lot. Indeed I was wondering if Mr D stalks these virtual corridors and had read:


                            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                            ... it might be considered more helpful if the reviewer could point out those that are absolute stinkers and to be avoided at all costs, the remainder being judged as recommendable

                            Seriously, though....
                            The reviewer appeared to have taken that suggestion very seriously, and I thought it was illuminating to single out some "stinkers" as he did and explain why. (Just imagine the Rattle gurning that must have accompanied that mawkish reading of the 'cuckoo clock' section ).

                            And an interesting traversal of the historic recordings from the 30s - 50s (Scherchen's tempo for the first movement! ). I would have appreciated extracts from Gardiner and even Norrington, because even though the scholarship might have "moved on", I don't find either the Krivine or the Immerseel very inspired. The latter always seems to be a limp rag to me (sorry Vodka...).

                            Well I shall try and set the Monday broadcast of the Kleiber to record and hear it from end to end. I shan't be dumping Bruno W though and good to hear an accolade for the Cluytens, as it's in the post...
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Barbirollians
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11669

                              #44
                              I really like the Carlos Kleiber but I would not have said it was a library choice . I hope Bohm and Boult got honourable mentions.

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26523

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                                I hope Bohm and Boult got honourable mentions.
                                No mention at all, honourable or otherwise...
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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