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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20575

    BaL 3.06.23 - Brahms: A German Requiem

    10.30am
    Ein deutsches Requiem, Brahms’s largest-scale choral work, is also his most-recorded. Fellow composer John Rutter guides us through a huge range of different approaches before settling on the ultimate recording to buy, download or stream.

    Available versions:-

    Coro Da Camera Ricercare Ensemble, Romano Adami

    Andreas Schmidt, Cheryl Studer, Gustav Sjökvist, Berliner Philharmoniker, Swedish Radio Choir, Eric Ericson Chamber Choir, Claudio Abbado *

    Barbara Bonney, Bryn Terfel, Swedish Radio Choir, Eric Ericson Chamber Choir, Claudio Abbado (DVD)

    Inger Dam-Jensen, Bo Skovhus, Danish National Choir & Symphony Orchestra, Gerd Albrecht

    Anna Lucia Richter, Stephan Genz, Leipzig MDR Radio Symphony Chorus and Orchestra, Marin Alsop

    Ernest Ansermet

    Claire Seaton, Colin Campbell, Jeremy Filsell, Roderick Chadwick, Vasari Singers, Jeremy Backhouse

    Janet Williams, Thomas Hampson, Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Chorus, Daniel Barenboim *

    Christiane Karg, Thomas E. Bauer, Schleswig-Holstein Festival Chor Lübeck & Kammerorchesterbasel, Rolf Beck

    Juliane Banse, Stephan Genz, Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Windsbacher Knabenchor, Karl-Friedrich Beringer

    Julia Borchert, Michael Volle, Stuttgart Chamber Choir & Stuttgart Classical Philharmonic Orchestra, Frieder Bernius *

    Elizabeth Norberg-Schulz, Wolfgang Holzmair, San Francisco Symphony Chorus, San Francisco Symphony, Herbert Blomstedt

    Heidi Meier, Josef Wagner, Maulbronn Chamber Choir, Musica Sacra, Jurgen Budday *

    Agnes Giebel, Hermann Prey, Orchestra Sinfonica e Coro di Milano della RAI, Sergiu Celibidache *

    Agnes Giebel, Hans Hotter, Cologne Radio Orchestra, Sergiu Celibidache *

    Randall Scarlata, Susanna Phillips, Choral Art Society, Chamber Orchestra of Philadelphia, Ignat Solzhenitsynr, Sergiu Celibidache

    Julie Cooper, Eamonn Dougan, Gary Cooper, Christopher Glynn, The Sixteen, Harry Christophers

    José Gallardo & Evngenia Rubinova, Choir of King’s College, Cambridge, Stephen Cleobury *

    Britt-Marie Aruhn, Robert Holl, Radiokoret, Danish National Symphony Orchestra, Michael Corboz *

    Fionnuala McCarthy, Michael Volle, EuropaChorAkademie, Joshard Daus *

    Sandrine Piau, Stéphane Degout, Brigitte Engerer, Boris Berezovsky, Accentus Chamber Choir, Laurence Equilbey *

    Istvan Gati, Ilona Tokody, Slovak Philharmonic Chorus, Slovak Philharmonic Orchestra, Janos Ferencsik *

    Mary Bevan, Marcus Farnsworth, James Baillieu, Richard Uttley , Choir of King’s College London, Joseph Fort

    Nicole Car, Teddy Tahu Rhodes, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, Johannes Fritzsch

    Bernhard Sonnerstedt, Kirstin Lindberg Torlind, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, Stockholm Philharmonic Chorus, Wilhelm Furtwängler

    Irmgard Seefried, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. Wiener Singakademie, Wiener Symphoniker, Wilhelm Furtwängler *

    Charlotte Margion, Rodney Gilfry, Monteverdi Choir, Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique, Sir John Eliot Gardiner

    Katharine Fuge, Matthew Brook, Monteverdi Choir & Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique, Sir John Eliot Gardiner

    Sally Matthews, Christopher Maltman, London Symphony Orchestra, London Symphony Chorus, Valery Gergiev (SACD)

    Solveig Kringelborn, Mariusz Kwiecien, Swedish Radio Choir & Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra, Valery Gergiev (DVD)

    Barbara Bonney, Andreas Schmidt, Wiener Philharmoniker, Wiener Staatsopernchor, Carlo Maria Giulini

    Malin Hartelius, Dietrich Henschel, Czech Philharmonic, Enoch zu Guttenberg

    Gundula Janowitz, Tom Krause, Wiener Philharmoniker, Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor, Bernard Haitink

    Marlis Peterson, Konrad Jarnot, Rundfunkchor Berlin, Philip Mayers, Philip Moll, Simon Halsey (SACD)

    Christiane Karg, Matthias Goerne, Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra, Daniel Harding *

    Genia Kühmeier, Thomas Hampson, Arnold Schoenberg Choir, Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Nikolaus Harnoncourt

    Johanna Winkel, Kre�imir Strafianac, Chorwerk Ruhr, Florian Helgath

    Christiane Oelze, Gerald Finley , La Chapelle Royale, Collegium Vocale Gent, Orchestre des Champs Élysées, Philippe Herreweghe

    Ilse Eerens, Andrew Foster-Williams, Orchestre Des Champs-Elysees & Collegium Vocale Gent, Philippe Herreweghe (DVD)

    David Wilson-Johnson, Felicity Lott, London Symphony Chorus & London Symphony Orchestra, Richard Hickox

    Elena Copons, Adrian Eröd, Johanna Gröbner & Veronika Trisko, Chorus sine nomine, Johannes Hiemetsberger

    Chamber ensemble orchestration by Iain Farrington, Yale Schola Cantorum, David Hill

    Natascha Jung, Peter Schöne, Chöre am Fuldaer Dom, Meininger Hofkapelle, Franz-Peter Huber

    Simone Nold, Kay Stiefermann, WDR Rundfunkchor Köln, Rupert Huber

    Camilla Tilling, Detlef Roth, Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin, Rundfunkchor Berlin, Marek Janowski *

    Genia Kühmeier, Gerald Finley, Netherlands Radio Choir & Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Mariss Jansons (SACD)

    Natalie Dessay, Ludovic Tézier, Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra & Swedish Radio Choir, Paavo Järvi *

    Valentina Farca, Matthias Goerne, State Choir Latvija, Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie, Paavo Järvi (DVD/Blu-Ray)

    Erich Wenk, Agnes Giebel, Danish Radio Symphony Orchestra, Danish Radio Choir, Thomas Jensen

    Janice Chandler, Nathan Gunn, Utah Symphony Orchestra, Mormon Tabernacle Choir, Craig Jessop

    Dietrich Henschel, , Miah Persson, London Philharmonic Choir, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladimir Jurowski

    Elizabeth Schwarzkopf, Hans Hotter, Vienna Philharmonic, Herbert von Karajan

    Barbara Hendricks, José van Dam, Wiener Singverein & Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan

    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Lisa della Casa, Wiener Singverein, Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan

    Gundula Janowitz, Eberhard Wächter, Wiener Singverein & Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan

    Siegfried Lorenz, MariAnne Häggander, Leipzig Radio Choir, MDR Sinfonieorchester, Herbert Kegel

    Elisabeth Grümmer, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Choir of St Hedwig’s Cathedral, Berlin & Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Rudolf Kempe

    Nadezhda Krasnaya, Sergei Yakovenko, Yurlov State Academic Chorus & Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra, Dmitri Kitayenko

    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Philharmonia Chorus, Philharmonia Orchestra, Otto Klemperer

    Hans Wilbrink, Elfriede Trötschel. BBC Symphony Chorus, BBC Symphony Orchestra, Otto Klemperer

    Elisabeth Grümmer, Hermann Prey, Kölner Rundfunkchor & Kölner Rundfunk-Sinfonie-Orchester, Otto Klemperer

    Wilma Lipp, Eberhard Wachter, Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Otto Klemperer

    Maria Stader, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Choeur de la RTF & Orchestre National de Paris, Paul Kletzki

    Edith Mathis (Soprano), Wolfgang Brendel, Bavarian Radio Chorus, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, Rafael Kubelik

    Anna Tomowa-Sintow, Günther Leib, Rundfunkchor Berlin, Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin, Helmut Koch *

    Sibylla Rubens, Daniel Ochoa, Dresdner Kreuzchor, Vocal Concert Dresden & Dresdner Philharmonie, Roderich Kreile


    Continued on post no. 2
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 03-06-23, 20:08.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20575

    #2
    (continued)


    Otto Wiener, Maria Stader, Berliner Philharmoniker, Chor der St. Hedwig’s-Kathedrale, Berlin, Berliner Motettenchor, Fritz Lehmann

    Christine Schäfer, Michael Volle, Tanglewood Festival Chorus, Boston Symphony Orchestra, James Levine *

    Hakan Hagegard, Kathleen Battle, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, James Levine *

    Michelle Areyzaga, Hugh Russell, Madeline Slettedahl, Craig Terry, Bella Voce, Andrew Lewis

    Hermann Prey, Ileana Cotrubas, New Philharmonia Chorus, Lorin Maazel *

    Cluj-Napoca State Philharmonic Choir, George Enescu Philharmonic Orchestra, Bucharest
    Cristian Mandeal *

    Håkan Hagegård, Sylvia McNair, New York Philharmonic, Westminster Symphonic Choir, Kurt Masur

    Donald Gramm, Hilde Gueden, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Tanglewood Festival Chorus, Charles Munch

    Elizabeth Watts, Stéphane Degout, London Philharmonic Orchestra and Choir, Yannick Nézet-Séguin

    Lore Binon, Tassis Christoyannis, Flemish Radio Choir, Hervé Niquet

    Lynne Dawson, Olaf Bär, London Classical Players, Schütz Choir of London, Sir Roger Norrington

    Florian Boesch, Christina Landshamer, SWR Vokalensemble, NDR Chor, Radio-Sinfonieorchester Stuttgart des SWR, Sir Roger Norrington

    Matthias Winckhler, Christina Gansch, Bachchor Mainz, Deutsche Radio Philharmonie Saarbrücken Kaiserslautern, Ralf Otto

    Samuel Ramey , Margaret Price, Ambrosian Singers, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, André Previn

    Harolyn Blackwell, David Wilson-Johnson, London Symphony Orchestra & Chorus, André Previn *

    Paul Max Tipton, Teresa Wakim, Justin Blackwell, Scott Allen Jarrett.,Seraphic Fire, Professional Choral Institute, Patrick Dupre Quigley

    Tatyana Galtskaya, Ed Bara, Ama Deus Ensemble, Valentin Radu *

    Miriam Gauci, Eduard Tumagian, Slovak Philharmonic Chorus, Slovak Radio Symphony Orchestra, Alexander Rahbari

    Agnes Giebel & Gerhard Niese, Gewandhaus Orchestra & Thomanerchor, Gunther Ramin *

    Dorothea Röschmann, Thomas Quasthoff, Berliner Philharmoniker, Rundfunkchor Berlin, Sir Simon Rattle

    Carolyn Sampson, André Morsch, Orchestra of the 18th Century, Cappella Amsterdam, Daniel Reuss

    Donna Brown, Gilles Cachemaille, Bach-Collegium Stuttgart, Gächinger Kantorei Stuttgart, Helmuth Rilling

    Margaret Price, Thomas Allen, Chor und Orchestra des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Wolfgang Sawallisch

    Wilma Lipp, Franz Crass, Wiener Symphoniker, Singverein der Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, Wolfgang Sawallisch

    Denny Wilke, Tobias Berndt, Ukrainischer Nationalchor DUMKA, Jana Reiner, Merseburger Hofmusik, Michael Schönheit

    Heinz Rehfuss, Elfriede Trötschel, Orchestre National de France, Carl Schuricht

    Maria Stader, Hermann Prey, Stuttgart Vokalensemble, Frankfurt Choir, Radio-Sinfonieorchester Stuttgart, Carl Schuricht

    Richard Stilwell, Arleen Auger, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra Chorus, Robert Shaw

    Brian Ming Chu, , Ida Nicolosi, Jan Kraybill, Elisa Williams Bickers,Te Deum, Matthew Christopher Shepard

    Wolfgang Brendel, Lucia Popp, Prague Philharmonic Choir, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli

    Bernd Weikl, Kiri Te Kanawa, Chicago Symphony Chorus, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
    Sir Georg Solti

    Randall Scarlata, Susanna Phillips, Choral Art Society, Chamber Orchestra of Philadelphia, Ignat Solzhenitsyn *

    Andreas Schmidt, Andreas Grau, Gotz Schumacher, Soile Isokoski, Chorus Musicus Koln, Christoph Spering *

    Twyla Robinson, Mariusz Kwiecien, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra & Chorus, Robert Spano (SACD)

    Tom Krause, Gundula Janowitz, Cleveland Orchestra, Cleveland Orchestra Chorus, George Szell *

    Jivko Trenchev, Sonia Marinova, Bulgarian Chapel Choir, Emil Tabakov *

    Christine Schäfer, Christian Gerhaher, Munich Philharmonic Orchestra, Christian Thielemann (DVD/Blu-ray)

    Viviane Della Chiesa, Herbert Janssen, NBC Symphony Orchestra, Arturo Toscanini

    Renate Arends, Thomas Oliemans, The Hague Philharmonic & Rotterdam Symphony Chorus, Jan Willem de Vriend (SACD)

    Irmgard Seefried, George London, New York Philharmonic, Westminster Choir, Bruno Walter

    Rosanna Carteri, Boris Christoff, Coro de Roma della RAI, Orchestra Sinfonica Nazionale della RAI di Roma, Bruno Walter

    Hanna-Elisabeth Müller, Simon Keenlyside, Wiener Singverein, The Cleveland Orchestra, Franz Welser-Möst (DVD/Blu-ray)

    Christiane Libor, Thomas E. Bauer, Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra, Warsaw Philharmonic Choir, Antoni Wit

    (* = download only)

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    • Lordgeous
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      • Dec 2012
      • 836

      #3
      Have always loved the Kempe.

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      • richardfinegold
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        • Sep 2012
        • 7747

        #4
        I love the work but for me the attraction would be John Rutter’s views

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        • Petrushka
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          • Nov 2010
          • 12332

          #5
          For a work that only rarely gets hauled off the shelves I've certainly got a lot of versions!

          Karajan (x4), Klemperer (x2), Abbado, Solti, Haitink, Kempe, Walter and Previn.

          Truth to tell, I find it just a touch overlong and unvarying in mood and texture so have to feel the time is right for it. Also have to register surprise at the number of recordings it's had.
          Last edited by Petrushka; 13-05-23, 19:40. Reason: just come across RPO/Previn!
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • Pulcinella
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            • Feb 2014
            • 11113

            #6
            Three rather different versions/interpretations here, all highly recommended in the 2009 Penguin Guide (not their top recommendation though; that was BPO/Rattle):

            ORR/Gardiner
            Philharmonia/Klemperer
            RPO/Previn

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            • Barbirollians
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              • Nov 2010
              • 11759

              #7
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              Three rather different versions/interpretations here, all highly recommended in the 2009 Penguin Guide (not their top recommendation though; that was BPO/Rattle):

              ORR/Gardiner
              Philharmonia/Klemperer
              RPO/Previn
              I think I recall Richard Osborne doing this in the 1980s and coming down firmly in favour of Klemperer. With good reason I think.

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 11113

                #8
                The main Wiki article



                contains sections on the instrumentation,

                Instrumentation
                In addition to soprano and baritone soloists and mixed chorus, A German Requiem is scored for:

                woodwind: piccolo, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets, 2 bassoons and contrabassoon (ad libitum)
                brass: 4 horns, 2 trumpets, 3 trombones, tuba
                percussion: timpani
                strings and harp (one part, preferably doubled)
                organ (ad libitum)
                versions and arrangements (I wonder if BBM would have enjoyed the concert band first movement!),

                Versions and arrangements
                In 1866 Brahms made an arrangement for piano solo of the six-movement version of the Requiem, which he revealed to Clara Schumann at Christmas of that year.[9]

                Brahms prepared an alternative version of the full seven-movement work to be performed with piano duet accompaniment, making it an acceptable substitute accompaniment for choir and soloists in circumstances where a full orchestra is unavailable. The vocal parts can also be omitted, suggesting that it was also intended as a self-contained version probably for at-home use. The alternative version was used, sung in English, for the first complete British performance of the Requiem on 10 July 1871 at 35 Wimpole Street, London, the home of Sir Henry Thompson and his wife, the pianist Kate Loder (Lady Thompson). The pianists were Kate Loder and Cipriani Potter.[10] This piano-duet accompaniment version of the Requiem has become known as the "London Version" (German: Londoner Fassung).[11]

                An arrangement of the first movement for concert band by Barbara Buehlman, under the title "Blessed Are They", has been a standard part of that ensemble's literature for many years.
                and a link to a discography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Germ...em_discography

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                • Alison
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6474

                  #9
                  It had never occurred to me that Mr Rutter might listen to the music of other composers, still less that he would indulge in library building shenanigans

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6474

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                    For a work that only rarely gets hauled off the shelves I've certainly got a lot of versions!

                    Karajan (x4), Klemperer (x2), Abbado, Solti, Haitink, Kempe, Walter and Previn.

                    Truth to tell, I find it just a touch overlong and unvarying in mood and texture so have to feel the time is right for it. Also have to register surprise at the number of recordings it's had.
                    Thought you’d have Tennstedt, Pet.

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                    • smittims
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                      • Aug 2022
                      • 4388

                      #11
                      Like Petrushka, I surprised myself by finding how many recordings I have of a work I listen to very rarely. I do, however, think it a very special work and I can understand why it has a very special significance for German listeners.

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                      • Petrushka
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12332

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Thought you’d have Tennstedt, Pet.
                        Unfortunately, I never did get it and when I checked it out on Amazon a couple of years or so ago it was a stupid price so didn't bother. Just looked again and it's an even more stupid price https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Eine...s%2C85&sr=8-26

                        Seriously,who pays that kind of money for one CD?
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • Bryn
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alison View Post
                          Thought you’d have Tennstedt, Pet.
                          The lack of even lawful lossless downloads of either of the Tennstedt recordings (EMI/Warner and BBC Legends) seems bizarre. However, the EMI recording is available, new, in the 14 CD boxed set, "Klaus Tennstedt: The Great EMI Recordings" from amazon.co.uk ( ASIN: B004OUFSOA ) for around £35. That's how I got it, though for £11.99, in 2011. It is also available, used, for under £20, elsewhere on the Internet, https://www.google.com/search?client...EMI+Recordings.
                          Last edited by Bryn; 21-05-23, 09:16. Reason: Update.

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20575

                            #14
                            I have only a single version of the work - VPO/Giulini, but as far as I recall, I haven’t listened to it once since its last BaL appearance in 2012. I first got to know the work in my student days, prompted by a fellow music student humming an excerpt, which I mistook for an extract from Elgar’s The Kingdom. I suspect the latter composer unconsciously stole it.

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                            • Ein Heldenleben
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                              • Apr 2014
                              • 6962

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                              Unfortunately, I never did get it and when I checked it out on Amazon a couple of years or so ago it was a stupid price so didn't bother. Just looked again and it's an even more stupid price https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Eine...s%2C85&sr=8-26

                              Seriously,who pays that kind of money for one CD?
                              For that sort of money Brahms would have written you a short choral work. It’s ridiculous.

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