BaL 18.02.23 - Mozart: String Quartet no. 19 in C major, K. 465 ’Dissonance’

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  • Mandryka
    Full Member
    • Feb 2021
    • 1560

    #16
    Here's the slow movement of Haydn's d minor trio, so you can decide whether you can hear Mozart's influence in the music.

    Provided to YouTube by Universal Music GroupHaydn: Piano Trio in D minor, H.XV No. 23: 2. Adagio ma non troppo · Beaux Arts Trio · Joseph HaydnHaydn: Complet...

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    • HighlandDougie
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      • Nov 2010
      • 3106

      #17
      I went to hear this on Monday lunchtime (along with the Schubert 'Rosamunde' Quartet) in the Nice Opera House and, having read the various posts about the possible influence of Haydn, rather think that it is possible to hear such in this quartet. Whatever, it's wonderfully absorbing music in its own right so I'm afraid that I don't really care about influences or not. I have had the Chiaroscuro version since it appeared having heard them in the flesh (Wigmore Hall?) but nowadays rather prefer the Van Kuijk Quartet recording.

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      • ardcarp
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 11102

        #18
        SO looking forward to this BAL. I've had the opening bars (hence the Dissonance name) in my head permanently since it was an A-level set work over 55 years ago! Anyone else have it? I think we had a crackly old LP of the Amadeus SQ....that didn't bother us. I dare say there will not be any versions displaying the Amadeus's
        now unfashionable style.....but OMG they were good in their day.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #19
          Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
          I went to hear this on Monday lunchtime (along with the Schubert 'Rosamunde' Quartet) in the Nice Opera House and, having read the various posts about the possible influence of Haydn, rather think that it is possible to hear such in this quartet. Whatever, it's wonderfully absorbing music in its own right so I'm afraid that I don't really care about influences or not. I have had the Chiaroscuro version since it appeared having heard them in the flesh (Wigmore Hall?) but nowadays rather prefer the Van Kuijk Quartet recording.
          Really moved the goalposts in Mozart haven't they? Wonderful set of the Quintets too; almost ideal blend stylistically, yet very individual...

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          • Mal
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            • Dec 2016
            • 892

            #20
            Originally posted by MickyD View Post
            There is a box set of the Salomons here, some sellers are offering it for under 30 pounds.



            The Mosaiques set highlighted by Jayne is going for a staggering £145!
            My 1999 Penguin guide has the Mosaiques pipping the Chilingirians for top choice because they are less expensive (!) That's changed ... the Chilingirians are available at a reasonable £27.



            I have the dissonance from a 90s release on Brilliant Classics, now going for £0.09 second hand (not my copy, of course, I'd only sell that for £146...):



            I just listened again to the Chilingirian "dissonance" and still find it a great library choice. It's a very warm, but lively, performance in great sound. Definitely not "period". It's so smooth and elegant that it had me wondering "where's the dissonance", definitely one to listen to when you want a relaxing half hour rather than a dissonant one. I also have the Alban Berg, which I bought to hear more rumination and dissonance going on. It has that, but I still love the warmth & elegance of the Chilingirians, so I'm glad to have both.
            Last edited by Mal; 18-02-23, 10:08.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #21
              Originally posted by MickyD View Post
              There is a box set of the Salomons here, some sellers are offering it for under 30 pounds.



              The Mosaiques set highlighted by Jayne is going for a staggering £145!
              Hmm, I just happen to have a spare extra set of the Quatuor Mosaïques. Should I offer it at a gross quantity of £s?

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              • MickyD
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                • Nov 2010
                • 4808

                #22
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Hmm, I just happen to have a spare extra set of the Quatuor Mosaïques. Should I offer it at a gross quantity of £s?
                Lucky you, Bryn!

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                • Keraulophone
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1967

                  #23
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                  My Eulenburg score was in the library of Nikolai Medtner...





                  It was a wedding present to us from the daughter of Medtner's friend, the conductor and record producer Lawrance Collingwood.

                  .

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #24
                    Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                    Lucky you, Bryn!
                    I had already purchased the set at a pretty good discount when I found an 'as new' set in a charity shop a few years ago. Until I got the Quatuor Mosaïques I only complete Mozart string quartets I had was the Quartetto Italiano set, which I still have much time for.

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                    • Mal
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                      • Dec 2016
                      • 892

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      Hmm, I just happen to have a spare extra set of the Quatuor Mosaïques. Should I offer it at a gross quantity of £s?
                      Go for it, might help persuade the publisher to re-issue it at a reasonable price!

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                      • Mal
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2016
                        • 892

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Mal View Post
                        I just listened again to the Chilingirian "dissonance" ... It's a very warm, but lively, performance in great sound... I also have the Alban Berg, which I bought to hear more rumination and dissonance going on. It has that, but I still love the warmth & elegance of the Chilingirians, so I'm glad to have both.
                        I loved this BAL as they mentioned the two I have in a positive manner, and their comments were in line with mine :) She added the adjectives "tender" and "beautiful" to the Chilingirian performance, and used these in leading up to the winner, so I thought the Chilingirians might win it... but not to be... Still the Modigliani, did sound good, and, paired with some interesting Haydn and Bartok, go on my "must listen" list.

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                        • Alison
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 6468

                          #27
                          Moderately enjoyable BaL: more comment on the overall qualities of specific versions would have been helpful otherwise we are just left with a comment on an excerpt. Very little reference to the score for an Oxford professor Not enough overview until the end perhaps.

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                          • HighlandDougie
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3106

                            #28
                            I'm prepared to forgive any reviewer who is both articulate and engaging, even, God help us, DON. On Alison's point above about, "overall qualities", we complain about there being too few versions and then when there are quite a few, mildly complain about lack of comment when I suspect that there wasn't a lot of time to do so. It's a work I know well so I much enjoyed the illustration of the contrasts among different approaches to it, from the Ébene (which I agree tends to overdo the "Dissonance" angle at the expense of the music's simple charm) to the Italiano being a bit plodding in the Minuet. Good choice - the Modigliani's Schubert cycle is a favourite so ordered post-haste from Ebay.

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                            • JasonPalmer
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                              • Dec 2022
                              • 826

                              #29
                              I am not at the level of comparing different recordings and choosing the best, for me they are all just interpretations and I enjoy them all.
                              Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mal View Post
                                Go for it, might help persuade the publisher to re-issue it at a reasonable price!
                                Only a fool would pay that much. They are all available via Qobuz (CD rate) for around £8.29 or less per disc-worth.

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