BaL 12.11.22 - Haydn: Harmoniemesse

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  • RichardB
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    • Nov 2021
    • 2170

    #16
    I don't mind, I have the CD anyway, but I'm away from home and would like to stream it on Qobuz, and it isn't there. I think this is what they call a first world problem.

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    • BBMmk2
      Late Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 20908

      #17
      Originally posted by RichardB View Post
      Look more closely!
      Ah yes!
      Don’t cry for me
      I go where music was born

      J S Bach 1685-1750

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      • richardfinegold
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        • Sep 2012
        • 7737

        #18
        Originally posted by MickyD View Post
        Missing on the list is the version by Bruno Weil on Sony, which I like very much.
        I noticed that. It is my only recording. I wish Sony would enable some sort of service where deleted recordings and be ordered as a CD-R, especially since the deletions tend to result in absences from the streaming services

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
          • 11062

          #19
          I wonder if the message has finally got through to Andrew that he shouldn't interrupt so much?
          Another decent BaL, I thought, with lots of extracts and a range of styles under consideration.
          Happy to stick with my two: Guest and Hickox, which both got honourable mentions.

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          • Bryn
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            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            #20
            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
            I noticed that. It is my only recording
            Weil, Hickox (and Koetzvelt) here. Never, as yet, listened to the latter. I note that the Kuijken is less than half the price to buy "Used: Very Good" than to download from QOBUZ.

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            • MickyD
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              • Nov 2010
              • 4811

              #21
              Thanks a lot, Bryn, very helpful.

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              • Master Jacques
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                • Feb 2012
                • 1927

                #22
                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                I wonder if the message has finally got through to Andrew that he shouldn't interrupt so much?
                Another decent BaL, I thought, with lots of extracts and a range of styles under consideration.
                Happy to stick with my two: Guest and Hickox, which both got honourable mentions.
                He only interrupts if he has an incompetent and/or tongue-tied reviewer, which happily is not the case with Richard Wigmore. He might have at least mentioned the readily-obtained American Naxos recording under Jane Glover, which is fresh and enthusiastic, if not quite the last word in musical subtlety.

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                • gurnemanz
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7405

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                  He only interrupts if he has an incompetent and/or tongue-tied reviewer, which happily is not the case with Richard Wigmore. He might have at least mentioned the readily-obtained American Naxos recording under Jane Glover, which is fresh and enthusiastic, if not quite the last word in musical subtlety.
                  As mentioned above, Glover is my only version, which I thought would be at least shortlisted. Not clear whether it was rejected or not bothered with.

                  I notice RW corrected AM's pronunciation of Harmonie, which is stressed on the the final syllable in German

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                  • Master Jacques
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                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1927

                    #24
                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    As mentioned above, Glover is my only version, which I thought would be at least shortlisted. Not clear whether it was rejected or not bothered with.
                    A good question. You might try emailing Richard Wigmore direct, to ask him what he thinks of the Glover CD:
                    richard@wigmoresworld.co.uk

                    Or Tweet him,
                    @wigmoresworld

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      #25
                      Guest and Hickox here, both as part of box sets.
                      Guest here too.

                      If you'll forgive me. I'll just do a personal ramble. The semi-pro chamber orchestra I used to conduct had the line-up sorted for Beethoven's 8th. We often had to hire horns and trumpets. The orchestra's committee, knowing my connection with singers, suggested doing Hayndn's Harmoniemesse as half of the programme, which we did. The singers, 12 in number with step-out soliosts, did it on one rehearsal. Whilst the orchestra loved playing their core repertoire, neither the choir nor I were over-keen on the work despite Papa Haydn's obvious flair. Someone in BAL wondered why The Nelson Mass was most choirs' favourite, and I can understand why. It was also mentioned that Haydn, in his ols age, found completeing Harmoniemesse a bit of a struggle. Does anyone else have similar thoughts about the work?

                      Another ramble. Some in the committee thought that a complete (and not especially short) mass might be too much for a non-specialist audience. As it was nearing Christmas, I got a local retired headmaster with a wonderful speaking voice to read short extracts from Hardy's Under the Greenwood Tree, including the amusing carol singing episode, between some of the 'movements'. It went down a storm, but not with one church member who thought it sacrilegious.

                      And yet another. In my younger days, a friend who had been a choral scholar at John's said that George Guest conducted the recordings of Haydn masses from a vocal score!

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                      • MickyD
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 4811

                        #26
                        I thought this was an excellent BAL, Wigmore really knows his Haydn and he managed to pack in so much in 45 minutes with a good selection. Just a pity about the omission of the Glover and the Weil!

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          #27
                          Put simply, Wigmore had AMcG under control.

                          (But I wish it was still at 0930!)

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                          • MickyD
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4811

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            Put simply, Wigmore had AMcG under control.

                            (But I wish it was still at 0930!)
                            Thank heavens...but how I wish he had been able to do it alone....I could listen to his burnished tones for hours!

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