BaL 9.07.22 - Walton: Symphony no. 1

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  • Alison
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    • Nov 2010
    • 6475

    #76
    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    Hmm, not a conductor whose work I find my cup of tea.
    You’ll change your mind if he records Walton 1, Nethersage

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    • Alison
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      • Nov 2010
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      #77
      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      Yes, Alison, he seems tobe an underrated gem! I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one hereabouts that appreciates JW!
      Must admit I’ve even got the Richard Rodney Bennett discs …

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      • Master Jacques
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        • Feb 2012
        • 1954

        #78
        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Yes, Alison, he seems tobe an underrated gem! I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one hereabouts that appreciates JW!
        He's an outstanding supporter of British music, particularly. A Walton 1st would be good; though as an ardent Baxian, I particularly wish he'd record the Bax symphonies - which JW himself loves dearly. We urgently need a new cycle from a younger generation, especially as Thomson, Lloyd Jones and Handley are sadly no longer with us, and Elder (who certainly understands how to approach Bax's complex symphonic scores to great effect) has other fish to fry.

        By the way, the line Mr Service repeated on Saturday, attributed to Walton (accurately, "‘I may be able to knock Bax off the map") comes from a private letter to Siegfried Sassoon and was jocular in context. The young WW respected AB greatly. As we know, though RVW's 4th and Walton's 1st both challenged Bax's position as internationally acknowledged head of the modern, British symphonic school, his own 6th Symphony certainly kept him in the race until World War II.

        (Bax's fan club included Nielsen, by the way, who conducted Bax's 1st Symphony soon after its premiere, in Denmark. Not a lot of people know that!)

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        • mahlerfan
          Banned
          • Aug 2021
          • 118

          #79
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Yes, Alison, he seems tobe an underrated gem! I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one hereabouts that appreciates JW!
          Add me to the list.

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          • Maclintick
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            • Jan 2012
            • 1084

            #80
            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
            He also once said that one of the most difficult conducting jobs was the Sibelius Violin Concerto.
            Previn was correct.The finale of that particular concerto a conductors' graveyard, if ever there was one, along with, inter alia, the finale of Schumann PC or the adagio of LVB 9, but to return to Walton 1, having just caught up on BBC Sounds, I didn't find a lot to object to in this BAL. TS's love and enthusiasm for WW's masterpiece was palpable, and the excerpts surveyed gave a broad historical context -- I hadn't heard LSO/Harty, for instance, dodgy brass & all. Like most on this forum I've retained LSO/Previn as the gold standard in this piece for many decades, but was impressed by what could justifiably be described as a greater amplitude in CBSO/Rattle & BSO/Karabits, neither of which I had heard. One slightly disappointing aspect of Alpie's list -- for which, many thanks -- is the absence of recordings from the other side of The Pond, apart from one by the New Haven Symphony. I'm sure they're very good, but I would have thought this piece, perhaps above all 20th cent. Brit compositions, would have lent itself to the virtuosic, well-drilled commitment of one of the crack American outfits -- Cleveland/Szell perhaps, back in their 60s pomp (commissioners of WW's Partita, of which they made an outstanding recording) or NYPO/Bernstein.

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            • mahlerfan
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              • Aug 2021
              • 118

              #81
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Hmm, not a conductor whose work I find my cup of tea.
              David Hurwitz and you are of one mind on this......

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              • Goon525
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                • Feb 2014
                • 606

                #82
                Originally posted by mahlerfan View Post
                David Hurwitz and you are of one mind on this......
                That’s dangerous company to keep!

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26575

                  #83
                  The Previn recording turned me on to this symphony in a big way in my teens, and I’ve gone out of my way to hear new versions since then, in the hope of a reading of equivalent or greater / alternative impact. I remember anticipating the Rattle hugely but being disappointed (both by the performance and particularly the recorded sound); whereas the Haitink got a big tick from me when it came out as a different and stunningly well-recorded view of the piece.

                  The Service embargo (I find the guy’s broadcasting style has become insufferable) was temporarily lifted for this BAL but…

                  … well let’s just say I was glad to be informed about the Karabits which had passed me by - will have a proper listen to it (although the extracts came across as a bit thinly recorded, on the radio I was listening on)
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • antongould
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8837

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                    The Previn recording turned me on to this symphony in a big way in my teens, and I’ve gone out of my way to hear new versions since then, in the hope of a reading of equivalent or greater / alternative impact. I remember anticipating the Rattle hugely but being disappointed (both by the performance and particularly the recorded sound); whereas the Haitink got a big tick from me when it came out as a different and stunningly well-recorded view of the piece.

                    The Service embargo (I find the guy’s broadcasting style has become insufferable) was temporarily lifted for this BAL but…

                    … well let’s just say I was glad to be informed about the Karabits which had passed me by - will have a proper listen to it (although the extracts came across as a bit thinly recorded, on the radio I was listening on)
                    Time to move on from that British Thomson Houston radio Rumpole …..

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26575

                      #85
                      Originally posted by antongould View Post
                      Time to move on from that British Thomson Houston radio Rumpole …..

                      The cat’s starting to resent the assault on its whiskers
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22206

                        #86
                        Originally posted by antongould View Post
                        Time to move on from that British Thomson Houston radio Rumpole …..
                        Didn’t they build Diesel Locomotives, anton?

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                          [COLOR="#0000FF"] . . . I remember anticipating the Rattle hugely but being disappointed (both by the performance and particularly the recorded sound); whereas the Haitink got a big tick from me when it came out as a different and stunningly well-recorded view of the piece. . . .
                          Interesting that when EMI/Warner put out their "Collector's Edition" (now removed from the catalogue, perhaps due to their only conceiving of a single "Collector" ) they chose the Haitink over the Rattle to represent the 1st Symphony, though they went for Rattle in Belshazzar's Feast.

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                          • antongould
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8837

                            #88
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            Didn’t they build Diesel Locomotives, anton?
                            Yes they did and even I as an ex employee was amazed to find they were one of the very early UK radio manufacturers ….

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                            • Barbirollians
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11771

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Hmm, not a conductor whose work I find my cup of tea.
                              I am with you - that widely praised disc of French music I found slick but soulless.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                                I am with you - that widely praised disc of French music I found slick but soulless.
                                You hit the nail on the head. My guess is that Hurwitz's criteria for his disdain were rather different. However, I am not tempted to test that contention by searching out and reading his comments.

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