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As you may well know, some years ago, Gramex moved to a new premises just along the road, on the opposite side. After a very short time, it closed - for good, sadly. On my visits to UK, I always enjoyed spending the odd afternoon there, usually finding one or two little gems, at excellent prices. -
I liked the very short extract of the Guilini we heard. Why was it dismissed out of hand in the Gramophone, as someone remarked? In my teens I was given the Toscanini on vinyl, still vivid in my musical memory but unsure as to which version.Comment
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This atheist came close to a religious experience on first listening to the 75 VPO Böhm (much liked by Trevor Harvey in Gramophone at the time, though if memory serves, not at all by JBS), which of course didn’t get a mention yesterday. Very possibly rightly, I must admit I haven’t listened to it in years, having been won over by the JEG approach. But I do think the work is an absolute masterpiece - not always an easy listen, but not meant to be.Originally posted by Petrushka View PostComment
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Wasn’t that the first choice when this was last done?Originally posted by Lordgeous View PostDel boy: “Get in, get out, don’t look back. That’s my motto!”Comment
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EMI thought so highly of the Klemperer recording that they gave it a premiere at the Wigmore Hall with the Producer and Engineer in attendance. Decca did much the same with Solti's Mahler 2 - first Dolby release - their Stereo Gounod Faust and subsequently the three later Ring recordings but not Rhinegold which appeared a few years before.
I still remain an unreconstructed fan of the Klemperer recording, Karajan's choir being too recessively recorded for my taste.Last edited by gradus; 03-07-22, 21:13.Comment
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See post #4Originally posted by Lordgeous View Post"The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard HaitinkComment
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HVK has great soloists but I would have to admit I have got more out of Klemperer and the first Harnoncourt version.Comment
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I mentioned that I found it a very tough listen before I came across the second Harnoncourt recording, and I've been thinking about why I found it so difficult. I think it's that, in comparison with the other "late" works of Beethoven it isn't very much concerned with thematic development; instead it follows the flow of the text (as Mass settings often do of course), but in a rather mysterious way, as if it's not really concerned with expressing the text itself (as for example Haydn did) but trying to discover something incomprehensible beneath or beyond it. No doubt others have said this more coherently than I can.Originally posted by Petrushka View PostComment
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Just come out of hospital.
Walking gently down a rocky outcrop to reach my favourite swimming point in the south of the island (away from all the British tourists – you’re all welcome of course), I slipped, fell, and twisted my left knee.
Mercifully, some friends rushed me to the hospital and an MRI scan confirmed a torn cartilage, or as I’ve now learnt, a torn meniscus. The pain is huge of course.
But it gets worse!
A week later, standing in our kitchen having a coffee, I simply turned round, and collapsed in agony. Another scan revealed that the meniscal tear had slipped down. Keyhole surgery is likely in the next few weeks.
But it gets worse!
It means my trip to London with my wife to use our No 1 Court Wimbledon tickets (for which I paid a small fortune), directly opposite the umpire, a few rows from the front, has had to be cancelled. My orthopaedic surgeon says flying is impossible. My wife (whose boyfriend is Rafa Nadal) wanted to cancel to look after me, but she almost had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the airport. She will not miss Wimbledon because of me. She also intends to visit her family in Lincs. I am being looked after by relatives.
But it gets worse!
I missed BAL on the Missa Solemnis!
So, who won? I believe it was Karajan?
Was Toscanini mentioned?
Anyone rubbished (maybe René Jacobs)?
Was it a good BAL?
I don’t understand iPlayer. I believe it allows listening to a programme for some time afterwards, but I think it is only available in the UK.
Painkillers are helping enormously, and to be fair, mobility, which seems to be important, is improving by the day.
What a time to get an injury! I’m not even allowed to swim – pah!
I haven’t contributed further to this thread simply because I didn’t hear BAL, but also because I think I’ve said enough on this work.Comment
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Oh dear Mario what a string of disasters …. Make sure you get well as soon as possible …….. I think I read somewhere the excellent BBC Sounds is available abroad ….. Manchester United will of course bring you untold joy in the months to come …..Originally posted by Mario View PostComment
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An absolutely brilliant summing up RichardB. Beethoven uses the texts to say something to humanity as he strikingly does in the demand for peace in the Dona Nobis Pacem and in the optimism shown in The Ode to Joy; in doing so he goes beyond the texts as you say. The Late Quartets - well they’re something else!!Originally posted by RichardB View PostComment
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Good luck with the surgery!Originally posted by Mario View Post
You can try here to see if it's available where you are:
Or you could email this link to an accomplice in the UK and see if they can download the mp3 for you (it's just BaL, not the whole Record Review programme):
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