BaL 30.04.22 - Chopin: Piano Sonata no. 3 in B minor

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    BaL 30.04.22 - Chopin: Piano Sonata no. 3 in B minor

    9.30 Building a Library
    Allyson Devenish compares recordings of Chopin’s Piano Sonata No 3 in B minor and chooses her favourite.

    Chopin’s final piano sonata was composed in 1844 and dedicated to Countess Émilie de Perthuis. It is a work of immense complexity, both technically and musically, and comprises four movements. The sonata opens with heavy chords in B minor, but journeys through a Scherzo and dream-like Nocturne, before ending in a dazzling Finale, which starts in B minor but ends triumphantly in a B major Coda.

    Available versions:-

    Louis Demetrius Alvanis
    Leif Ove Andsnes
    Martha Argerich 1965
    Martha Argerich 1967
    Claudio Arrau *
    Claudio Arrau *
    Vladimir Ashkenazy
    Vladimir Ashkenazy
    Stefan Askenase *
    Emanuel Ax
    Paul Badura-Skoda 1971
    Daniel Barenboim *
    Harold Bauer
    Matthew Bengtson
    Gints Berzin�s
    Idil Biret
    Nick Van Bloss
    Arpád Bodó *
    Veronique Bonnecaze *
    Oleg Boshniakovich *
    Evgeni Bozhanov *
    Alexander Brailowsky
    Angela Brownridge
    Joanna Brzezinska *
    Stanislav Bunin *
    Robert Casadesus
    Susan Chan *
    Sa Chen *
    Shura Cherkassky
    Jae-Hyuck Cho
    Sang Mi Chung
    Dino Ciani
    Van Cliburn 1964
    Jean Philippe Collard *
    Josep Colom *
    Alfred Cortot 1928
    Sequeira Costa
    Georges Cziffra
    John Damgaard
    Nikolai Demidenko
    François-René Duchâble
    François Dumont
    Jan Ekier *
    Nancy Hill Elton *
    Brigitte Engerer *
    Janina Fialkowska *
    Rudolf Firkusny
    Ingrid Fliter *
    Samson François
    Nelson Freire *
    Mao Fujita
    Kotaro Fukuma (SACD)
    Elfrun Gabriel
    Sergio Gallo *
    Lukas Geniusas
    Luciano Giarbella *
    Emil Gilels 1978
    Emil Gilels 1978 (DVD)
    Emil Gilels 1979
    Emil Gilels 1980
    Jayson Gillham
    Jakob Gimpel
    Nelson Goerner 1976
    Nelson Goerner 2009 DVD
    Leticia Gomez-Tagle (SACD)
    Elina Gotsouliak
    Glenn Gould *
    Anna Gourari
    Percy Grainger *
    Marc-André Hamelin *
    Kenneth Hamilton
    Adam Harasiewicz
    Endre Hegedûs
    Daniel Herscovitch *
    Margarita Hohenrieder
    Stephen Hough
    Miao Huang
    Angeles Iglesias *
    Andrey Ivanov *
    Ilona Janky *
    Jin Ju (SACD)
    Ivo Kahánek
    William Kapell *
    Julian von Karolyi
    Julius Katchen *
    Peter Katin
    Peter Katin
    Cyprien Katsaris
    Hisako Kawamura *
    Wilhelm Kempff
    Kevin Kenner
    Olga Kern *
    Evgeny Kissin
    Hyperion Knight *
    Raoul von Koczalski
    Alexander Kobrin
    Martin Kasik
    Yu Kosuge
    Lang Lang *
    Ka Ling Colleen Lee
    Yundi Li
    Dong-Min Lim *
    Tao Lin *
    Dinu Lipatti
    Kate Liu
    Louis Lortie
    Nikolai Lugansky *
    Jean-Marc Luisada
    Moura Lympany *
    Nikita Magaloff *
    Milosz Magin *
    Pietro De Maria *
    Alexander Melnikov
    Dominique Merlet *
    Aleksandra Mikulska *
    Zora Mihailovich *
    Joseph Moog
    Jean Muller *
    Eugene Mursky
    Priya Myadas *
    Eldar Nebolsin
    Heinrich Neuhaus
    Lev Oborin
    Garrick Ohlsson
    Laurence Oldak *
    Georgijs Osokins
    Cécile Ousset *
    Alexander Paley *
    Murray Perahia
    Javier Perianes
    Vlado Perlemuter
    Egon Petri *
    Olivier Peyrebrune *
    Maria João Pires
    Andrey Pisarev
    Mikhail Pletnev
    Ivo Pogorelich
    Roberto Poli *
    Daniel Pollack *
    Maurizio Pollini 1984 *
    Maurizio Pollini 2011
    Maurizio Pollini 2013
    Nadia Reisenberg
    Alberto Reyes
    Charles Richard-Hamelin
    Jerome Rose *
    Charles Rosen *
    Moriz Rosenthal *
    Arthur Rubinstein
    Sandro Russo
    Pnina Salzman
    Ann Schein *
    Victor Schioler
    Wolfram Schmitt-Leonardy
    György Sebök *
    Catalin Serban
    Howard Shelley
    Howard Shelley *
    Craig Sheppard
    Abbey Simon *
    Alex Slobodyanik *
    Nicolas Stavy
    Csilla Szabó *
    Magda Tagliaferro
    Igor Tchetuev
    Edoardo Torbianelli
    Daniil Trifonov
    Valerie Tryon
    Fou Ts’ong
    Mitsuko Uchida
    Mariangela Vacatello
    Denes Varjon *
    Dinorah Varsi
    Tamás Vásáry *
    Alexei Volodin *
    Alexis Weissenberg
    David Wilde
    Stefan Wojtas *
    Mu Ye Wu
    Ingolf Wunder
    Chuang Ya-Fei *
    Yike Tony Yang
    Yubo Zhou (SACD)
    Gerrit Zitterbart

    * = download only
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 30-04-22, 22:19.
  • Wolfram
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    • Jul 2019
    • 256

    #2
    This is my favourite piano sonata not written by Beethoven. Looking forward to this one.

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    • gradus
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      • Nov 2010
      • 5576

      #3
      How on earth could all versions be considered? Why not publish the short list in advance?

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      • CallMePaul
        Full Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 773

        #4
        I have Pollini 2013, Pires and Perahia. The Pollini is my favourite of these - Pollini is my favourite Chopin pianist, although performances on period instruments also interest me.

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        • Jonathan
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          • Mar 2007
          • 941

          #5
          Interesting - I've not heard a performance that quite gets the finale 'Presto' enough for me. I will have to have a listen to this!
          Best regards,
          Jonathan

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          • rauschwerk
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            • Nov 2010
            • 1478

            #6
            The other week, I played all the versions in my collection: Grainger, Lympany, Lipatti and Ashkenazy (all over 50 years old!). I wouldn't be without any of them, though I suppose that Lipatti approaches perfection the most nearly.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
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              • Apr 2014
              • 6579

              #7
              Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
              Interesting - I've not heard a performance that quite gets the finale 'Presto' enough for me. I will have to have a listen to this!
              It is a presto non tanto (or tango as my spell check serendipitously called it ) . If you take the triplets too fast a car crash or more usually gruesome braking ensues in the virtuosic semiquaver run section. It’s just about the ultimate pianists graveyard this movement. It’s so easy to create a muddied texture in the four against three repeat section. You rarely hear a clean live performance ( or indeed any live performance ).

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              • BBMmk2
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 20908

                #8
                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                It is a presto non tanto (or tango as my spell check serendipitously called it ) . If you take the triplets too fast a car crash or more usually gruesome braking ensues in the virtuosic semiquaver run section. It’s just about the ultimate pianists graveyard this movement. It’s so easy to create a muddied texture in the four against three repeat section. You rarely hear a clean live performance ( or indeed any live performance ).
                Many thanks, for this!

                My favourite is Martha Argerich, her old EMI recording.
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20564

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                  My favourite is Martha Argerich, her old EMI recording.
                  Surprisingly, I could only find two Argerich recordings: 1965 and 1967. Surely she’s played it since then?

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
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                    • Apr 2014
                    • 6579

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Surprisingly, I could only find two Argerich recordings: 1965 and 1967. Surely she’s played it since then?
                    It wouldn’t surprise me if she hasn’t . I used to go to lots of piano recitals and I’ve never heard it live unlike the BFlat minor. I wonder if it’s because it lacks the “big tunes” you get in the latter. Maybe it’s because for non specialists having one Chopin sonata in your repertoire is considered enough along with a couple of ballades and scherzi and a selection of nocturnes / etudes / preludes . I think the slow movement is one of the most beautiful things Chopin ever wrote and as harmonically daring , in its way , as some Liszt. In recital it strikes me as a good piece to schedule because of its bravura ending whereas the finale of the Funeral March is over before you know it.

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                    • gurnemanz
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      Surprisingly, I could only find two Argerich recordings: 1965 and 1967. Surely she’s played it since then?
                      Not according to this site.

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                      • gurnemanz
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7357

                        #12
                        In May 2004 David Owen Norris chose Nelson Goerner with Dinu Lipatti as Historic Choice.

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                        • richardfinegold
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                          • Sep 2012
                          • 7532

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                          Interesting - I've not heard a performance that quite gets the finale 'Presto' enough for me. I will have to have a listen to this!
                          Have you heard Kissin?

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20564

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                            Not according to this site.
                            Many thanks for the info. Yet these still all appear to be from 1965 and ‘67.

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                            • silvestrione
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                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1671

                              #15
                              I find this sonata hard to like, as a whole. I love the first movement, and the last is splendid in its way, but it does not seem to build into a whole somehow. I have heard Demidenko and Krystian Zimerman play it live, the latter in particular technically secure and thrilling in the last movement.

                              There is I think a lockdown performance by Argerich from 2020, on Youtube.

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