BaL 19.03.22 - Bruckner: Symphony no. 9 in D minor

[Barbirollians]

This is the live 1976 VPO/Karajan recording. Expensive but worth it https://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphony-9-...al%2C62&sr=1-4

The Scherzo is much tougher, to its advantage, in the BPO 1976 than it is in the 1966.

I don’t have that HVK - I have the 1966 and the VPO .

[Barbirollians]

Don’t think those issues were mentioned Bryn- it was HVK,Haitink,Giulini,Wand,Walter,Honeck,Furtwangler ,Rattle and Abbado as I recall.

[HighlandDougie]

Strangely, the opted for Giulini is one recording of the first three movements that I do not have. I will listen tomorrow night before deciding whether or not to add it to the many already to hand. I found it a little disappointing that the only performing version of the filled out sketches of the final movement considered was the SPCM. I recall Rob Cowan being more impressed with one by Carragan. I missed the first 10 minutes or so, this morning. Were any of the Joichum recordings paid attention to? How about Young or Blomstedt?

Alas, no, no and no. Honeck was the nearest he came to stepping away from the usual suspects

[Bryn]

Alas, no, no and no. Honeck was the nearest he came to stepping away from the usual suspects

How very remiss of Mival!

[richardfinegold]

Agree with the Abbado comments. Loved by many, that recording has never done it for me.

Wasn’t that one Abbado’s last recordings? It was one of the first recordings that I listened to after getting a Qobuz subscription and I felt as though people felt compelled to praise it due to his passing. I actually can’t think of any other Bruckner recordings by C.A.

[Barbirollians]

Alas, no, no and no. Honeck was the nearest he came to stepping away from the usual suspects

Well the usual suspects are very good.

[richardfinegold]

I don’t have that HVK - I have the 1966 and the VPO .

The one you have, is that from the Salzburg Festival?

[richardfinegold]

Strangely, the opted for Giulini is one recording of the first three movements that I do not have. I will listen tomorrow night before deciding whether or not to add it to the many already to hand. I found it a little disappointing that the only performing version of the filled out sketches of the final movement considered was the SPCM. I recall Rob Cowan being more impressed with one by Carragan. I missed the first 10 minutes or so, this morning. Were any of the Joichum recordings paid attention to? How about Young or Blomstedt?

I bought the Giulini on an audiophile release from Japan a few years ago. It’s very impressive but usually “the winged” Karajan is what I spin.

[HighlandDougie]

Well the usual suspects are very good.

That I would not deny for a moment!

[Bryn]

I bought the Giulini on an audiophile release from Japan a few years ago. It’s very impressive but usually “the winged” Karajan is what I spin.

Presumably in the big DG Karajan box, of only on CD. I will have a look. Now where that lazy susan-mounted big box? Ah, rather a lot of other, smaller, boxes piled on top of it. Tomorrow, maybe.

[visualnickmos]

HvK’s were the extracts I didn’t want to end.

Going against my usual grain with Karajan, I agree with you. Have to say, I didn't care for Rattle's first extract sampled; just dull - like much of his later (Berlin) stuff that I've heard.

[Petrushka]

I actually can’t think of any other Bruckner recordings by C.A.

Abbado recorded the Symphony No 1 three times, symphonies 4 & 9 twice, and 5 & 7 once. There are also DVD recordings of 5 & 7.

[visualnickmos]

I was surprised that neither of Jochum's fine recordings were even mentioned, not even in passing or dismissal!

[Bryn]

I was surprised that neither of Jochum's fine recordings were even mentioned, not even in passing or dismissal!

"neither"? What about the recording which introduced me to the work?



There are others, too, such as:

[ardcarp]

As a choral nut and knowing mainly Bruckner's motets, including the ones with trombones, I've always struggled to appreciate his symphonies. On the other hand, repetition (of musical phrases, chord progressions, etc) in the act of composition has always fascinated me. It's something that students of composition need to use and to handle carefully. Very few composers just use 'stream of consciousness' methods, so students need to learn their own tactics in the use of repetition, eg repeating a phrase a couple of times, and maybe the third time doing it at a different pitch and maybe making a subtle tweak to the end which leads onto something else. I'm probably not making much sense here, but I feel listening to a Bruckner symphony or two may be very instructive to the would-be composer, even though the latter will be using a completely different harmonic language.

Going back to today's BAL, did anyone notice how many times William Mival used the word 'violent' usually in relation to brass entries? Can anyone explain the relevance of 'violence' in Bruckner's 9th? I was somewhat baffled.