BaL 5.02.22 - Haydn: Symphony no. 49 in F minor 'La Passione'

[Bryn]

That's a good summing up. We can disagree, but in doing so, we shouldn't make disparaging remarks to (or about) the other poster. When it comes to moderation, it's straightforward enough to remove a post that goes against House Rules, but if that post has been quoted in a later post, then it may be necessary to delete or edit that post too. Otherwise the whole thing carries on.

It can fairly be said that you and I have not always been of the same mind. My first reaction on finding that a message of mine had been removed, was ire. However, I now see that a considerable amount of effort has since been expended in sorting through what might have caused offence and what might have been 'collateral damage'. I would like to express my appreciation for that effort.

[MickyD]

Having found myself in a similar situation to Nick some time ago, I understand his frustration. Surely the overriding rule on here should be that we agree to disagree, but at the same time doing it in an open-minded and courteous way.

[boesendorfer]

But

It can fairly be said that you and I have not always been of the same mind. My first reaction on finding that a message of mine had been removed, was ire. However, I now see that a considerable amount of effort has since been expended in sorting through what might have caused offence and what might have been 'collateral damage'. I would like to express my appreciation for that effort.

There are ways and ways of disagreeing with other posters. I do find the technique of saying “but nobody who is as musical as I am could possibly say that” borders on the passive-aggressive. I don’t think visualnickmos has had a satisfactory answer to his question Why me not her?

[Ein Heldenleben]

Nick

It would not be good for the forum if you decided to quit. I always enjoy reading your posts from along the coast, even if I don't always see eye to eye with where you are coming from. But that is, surely, healthy. Having had a post "cancelled" recently (hey, I can add "Cancelled by the Friends of the Radio 3 Forum" to the "Door-stepped by the Daily Mail" t-shirt), I just think that the forum moderators need to lighten up a little. Rules are rules, yes, but let's everybody keep everything in some kind of wider perspective - the sky won't fall in if forum members disagree even if the to-and-fro sometimes becomes a bit heated.

I’ve got a stitched -up- by -the- Daily -Mail- T -shirt. Badge of honour mate…

[french frank]

There are ways and ways of disagreeing with other posters. I do find the technique of saying “but nobody who is as musical as I am could possibly say that” borders on the passive-aggressive. I don’t think visualnickmos has had a satisfactory answer to his question Why me not her?

First, I'd like to express appreciation to Bryn for his comment, especially as he doesn't always see to eye over moderation. And I'd also like to thank to the moderator, and express sympathy in having to deal with a sensitive situation.

I have looked at the posts concerned. Moderators don't remove posts because they've been insulted or they've taken offence or they think something is a bit rude and they're annoyed. They're usually responding to complaints. If anyone feels annoyed or offended, it's usually better to hit the Complain button or bite your tongue, not least because if you hit back you're likely to be the one who has most clearly broken the rules. On the other hand, it is quite possible to insult someone with utmost civility, and only the person who's been insulted takes much notice.

When this has been absorbed, I'd suggest these posts be removed as disrupting discussion.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Yes there are some things I dislike and others in small doses. Andrew McGregor mention the issue of a 2CD set of 37 of Scarlatti’s Sonatas for Harpsichord. I know there are lovers of Baroque music on the Forum and I could probably enjoy listening to a couple or so of these but does anyone hereabouts really enjoy a sitting of 37 in one go! It would do my ‘ead ih!

I’ll give it a go and report back. I usually hear Scarlatti sonatas as the virtuoso’s finger loosening G and T before the three course meal of keyboard thumping that is the typical piano recital so it’ll be interesting to hear something closer to the original concept.

[Wolfram]

I replied to a more than implied put down from a fellow poster as to why I reacted to Pinnock's recording the way I did. The poster was arrogant, and basically that it was my failing, that I didn't sher HER viewpoint. So, my reasoned response has been removed, and her's stays. What is going on? Seriously thinking of quitting the whole damn thing. This not good.

This conversation has been very unseemly. I am now aware that this Forum has some very August musicans and musical professionals amongst its contributors and as such they should all know better. The recordings we discuss are, for the most part, by highly esteemed artists who offer a variety of different, but equally valid, interpretations of the great works in the repertoire. When performed to the highest standard we should be celebrating these differences not bickering over their validity. This is all very depressing stuff. Good night.

[visualnickmos]

This conversation has been very unseemly. I am now aware that this Forum has some very August musicans and musical professionals amongst its contributors and as such they should all know better. The recordings we discuss are, for the most part, by highly esteemed artists who offer a variety of different, but equally valid, interpretations of the great works in the repertoire. When performed to the highest standard we should be celebrating these differences not bickering over their validity. This is all very depressing stuff. Good night.

I thnk you may have missed my point. I was replying to an arrogant and 'put down' response to my feelings on a few brief extracts of a comparison programme, namely BaL. My response was reasoned, and inferred no personal criticism of said response, and yet it was removed. I agree, it is all very depressing stuff, and I am sick to the back teeth of seeing how the expertise, experience and sincerity of many posters is regularly insulted by a certain person, if they dare not share the same view, and in this case - me, replying to the put down, is the one whose post is removed! Totally unsatisfactory.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

First of all, many thanks to Bryn for his generous comment.
Secondly, both of the posts involved in the fallout have now been deleted, removing any whiff of unfairness.
Thirdly, please use the Report button before responding to “hot” comments on open forum.

[Wolfram]

I thnk you may have missed my point. I was replying to an arrogant and 'put down' response to my feelings on a few brief extracts of a comparison programme, namely BaL. My response was reasoned, and inferred no personal criticism of said response, and yet it was removed. I agree, it is all very depressing stuff, and I am sick to the back teeth of seeing how the expertise, experience and sincerity of many posters is regularly insulted by a certain person, if they dare not share the same view, and in this case - me, replying to the put down, is the one whose post is removed! Totally unsatisfactory.

I am sorry, I didn't intend my comments to be about your post specifically, but about the wider conversation in general. In retrospect I should not have prefaced my post with your quote. That's my mistake.

[visualnickmos]

I am sorry, I didn't intend my comments to be about your post specifically, but about the wider conversation in general. In retrospect I should not have prefaced my post with your quote. That's my mistake.

Thank you, that's perfectly OK; I assure you I didn't take your comments in negative spirit. As I mentioned, I do agree with your main point. Of course, we all have different views, likes, dislikes etc, but the issue that I have, is when somebody is put down, derided or whatever, for sharing their view, by someone who holds a different view. Again, thanks for your reply. Here's to music.

[RichardB]

Here's to music.

Quite so. Not sharing opinions is important, but respect is more so, sorry if that sounds pompous but it's something that's missing from all kinds of exchanges in the current period, and it ought to be present even if one thinks the other person is dead wrong!

[Ein Heldenleben]

First of all, many thanks to Bryn for his generous comment.
Secondly, both of the posts involved in the fallout have now been deleted, removing any whiff of unfairness.
Thirdly, please use the Report button before responding to “hot” comments on open forum.

You also appear to have removed my post (in response to visualnick) which went up in between the two “controversial” posts . I am struggling to see anything objectionable in it other than it would have appeared bizarre and irrelevant because it referred to a post that’s no longer there !

[visualnickmos]

Quite so. Not sharing opinions is important, but respect is more so, sorry if that sounds pompous but it's something that's missing from all kinds of exchanges in the current period, and it ought to be present even if one thinks the other person is dead wrong!

Agreed! 100%. On with the show....

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You also appear to have removed my post (in response to visualnick) which went up in between the two “controversial” posts . I am struggling to see anything objectionable in it other than it would have appeared bizarre and irrelevant because it referred to a post that’s no longer there !

PM sent.