BaL 29.01.22 - Rachmaninov: Piano Sonata no. 2 in B flat minor (Op. 36)

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    BaL 29.01.22 - Rachmaninov: Piano Sonata no. 2 in B flat minor (Op. 36)

    09.30
    Rachmaninov’s 2nd Piano Sonata with Lucy Parham in Building a Library

    Sergei Rachmaninov’s Piano Sonata No. 2, Op. 36, in B-flat minor was composed in 1913 and revised it in 1931. Three years after his third piano concerto was finished, he moved with his family to Rome and started working on his second piano sonata. It is a mighty but technically challenging piece. Rachmaninov himself was not satisfied with the work and revised it in 1931. In 1940, the pianist Vladimir Horowitz created his own edition which combined elements of both previous versions.

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    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 12-02-22, 11:17.
  • Ein Heldenleben
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    • Apr 2014
    • 6731

    #2
    Wonder which version they’ll hone in on? Ever had a go at playing it Alps ?
    I think it’s a ABRSM fellowship piece. I’ve had a few stabs at the “big tune “ but you need very powerful fingers to get anywhere near what’s needed. The coda ? Strewth !
    The most difficult mainstream (i.e diatonic and regularly played ) sonata ?

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    • gurnemanz
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7380

      #3
      They had a choice for each version in 2006
      Kocsis playing original version. Also Penguin Rosette. https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...ys-rachmaninov
      Trpceski for 1931 version.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        #4
        I have Steven Osborne, I’m sure I also have Ashkenazy, somewhere
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • Barbirollians
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          • Nov 2010
          • 11663

          #5
          Freddy Kempf and Kocsis are both excellent in the 1913 version - I like Sudbin in his as played by Horowitz version.

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          • Pianorak
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3127

            #6
            Gordon Fergus-Thompson (original 1913 version) Kingdom (rec. 1987)
            My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20569

              #7
              On now

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              • BBMmk2
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                • Nov 2010
                • 20908

                #8
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                On now
                I’m surprised there’s not more contributions here to one of Rachmaninov’s masterpieces for the piano.
                Don’t cry for me
                I go where music was born

                J S Bach 1685-1750

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  • Apr 2014
                  • 6731

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                  I’m surprised there’s not more contributions here to one of Rachmaninov’s masterpieces for the piano.
                  The problem about commenting is that just about every pianist she is playing is absolutely wonderful. I wish I could play this piece . But what is Horowitz up to …making it up a bit !
                  Looks like Lugansky will carry the palm. He’s pretty much become Radio Three’s in-house Rach pianist…

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
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                    • Apr 2014
                    • 6731

                    #10
                    I reckon there’s an edit in that Giltberg coda. Unlike the reviewers I don’t like the halting agogics . It’s sounds like he’s having to prepare and Boris G has the technique not to do that …
                    Lugansky it is .. that coda was absolutely amazing. The finger strength …strewth..

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                    • DoctorT

                      #11
                      Has anyone tried to source a hard copy of the Lugansky? Seems to be unavailable

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                      • Keraulophone
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1945

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                        Lugansky it is...

                        Lugansky, followed by Kocsis at 24'29 (with the score).



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                        • visualnickmos
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3609

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DoctorT View Post
                          Has anyone tried to source a hard copy of the Lugansky? Seems to be unavailable
                          Yes; tried everywhere!

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #14
                            Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                            Yes; tried everywhere!
                            Looks like a download, under £8 for CD rate and burn to CD-R or around £11 for hi-res and no wasted polycarbonate.

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                            • LeMartinPecheur
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                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4717

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                              The problem about commenting is that just about every pianist she is playing is absolutely wonderful.
                              That was EH's reply to BBMmk2's query on the lack of comments to the thread. One might say that there are at least estimable traversals she didn't mention, and any that manages just to play all the notes and shape them coherently is going to be worth a listen in such a complex and rich work. Freddy Kempf gets a thumbs-up above from Barbirollians and it's on my shelves, along with the old CBS Horowitz, Ashkenazy and John Ogdon. The old argument about whether there is such a thing as a 'best version' of any work is surely particularly acute in this sonata.
                              I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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