BaL 17.07.21 - Liszt: Piano Sonata in B minor

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  • Jonathan
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    • Mar 2007
    • 953

    #16
    Later on, when im I'm more awake, I'll check the recordings in my collection to see if I can add any more names to the Liszt...
    Best regards,
    Jonathan

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    • Alison
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      • Nov 2010
      • 6474

      #17
      The newish Grosvenor recording is a contender in my view.

      Mention above of previous reviewers has made me aware that Katy Hamilton is only of moderate interest.

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      • Ein Heldenleben
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        • Apr 2014
        • 6964

        #18
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        I've only ever heard this live played by a student in a free recital , which was very enjoyable, but really ought to make it in my way to hear somebody really good.
        It’s amazing how rarely it turns up in a live recital - can’t think why.
        Looking for an “ and I don’t blame them emoji”

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        • rauschwerk
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1482

          #19
          Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
          Yes, but it still implies that everything before that in Liszt was written just to demonstrate his technique.
          It would imply that in the absence of those inverted commas.

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #20
            Katie Hamilton seems to have a mountain to climb here. I have Martha Argerich, and Marc-André Hamelin’s, at the top of my head.
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • Joseph K
              Banned
              • Oct 2017
              • 7765

              #21
              Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
              It would imply that in the absence of those inverted commas.
              No - they're two different things - the B minor sonata might be Liszt's first 'proper' composition owing to the fact that Liszt had mostly just written shorter pieces before it, but these shorter pieces might not necessarily be written for the sole purpose of demonstrating his technique!

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
                • 11763

                #22
                Arrgerich for me .

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                • Jonathan
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 953

                  #23
                  Ok, I have the following recordings (in no particular order): Jeno Jando (Naxos), Grace Francis (Quartz), Arnaldo Cohen (Carlton - deleted), Joseph Moog (Onyx), Marc-Andre Hamelin (Hyperion), Daria Telizyn (Claudio Records - the longest recording in my collection at 34'38''), Oleg Marshev (Danacord), Leslie Howard (Hyperion), Emanuel Ax (Sony), Bernard d'Ascoli (EMI), Nikolai Demidenko (Helios), Thomas Hitzlberger (Ambronay), George-Emmanuel Lazaridis (Linn), Maurizio Pollini (DG), Georges Cziffra (EMI), Martha Argerich (DG) and Jorge Bolet (Decca). There are some others muddled up with other composers as well, I suspect. This also doesn't include the 2 recordings I have of Saint-Saens 2 piano version, Weinburg's orchestration or any of the mp3 versions I have. That's quite a lot!!

                  Liszt's longest piece that included a piano (in terms of playing time) is actually the early Concerto work "De Profundis" which he left unfinished. It typically plays for about 34 minutes. It dates from 1834/35 and has been recorded 5 times at least.

                  Personally, I'd like to hear a BaL on Liszt's "Scherzo and March" or the "Grossekonzertsolo".
                  Best regards,
                  Jonathan

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6474

                    #24
                    Doesn’t look as if you’re a Brendel man, Jonathan!

                    You do need the Ben Grosvenor though.

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                    • silvestrione
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                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1725

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                      It’s amazing how rarely it turns up in a live recital - can’t think why.
                      Looking for an “ and I don’t blame them emoji”
                      Yes, I do feel a kind of obligation to prioritise recordings from artists who have regularly programmed it. Seems more honest, somehow. No question that Arrau and Richter could play it live, and unforgettably too. I heard Arrau play it in Dunedin, New Zealand. Have also heard Pollini twice, in Barbican (magnificent) and RFH (scrappy at times but good!).

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                      • silvestrione
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1725

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Doesn’t look as if you’re a Brendel man, Jonathan!

                        You do need the Ben Grosvenor though.
                        Agreed, I do think he has the measure of the piece.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6964

                          #27
                          Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
                          Yes, I do feel a kind of obligation to prioritise recordings from artists who have regularly programmed it. Seems more honest, somehow. No question that Arrau and Richter could play it live, and unforgettably too. I heard Arrau play it in Dunedin, New Zealand. Have also heard Pollini twice, in Barbican (magnificent) and RFH (scrappy at times but good!).
                          I would have given anything to have heard Arrau and Richter live in this . There’s I think a live (I think ) Richter of this which is hair raising , incandescent , electrifying : pick your hyperbole. Some of the passage work is unbelievable. It’s how Liszt might have played it - throwing all caution to the winds...

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                          • Keraulophone
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1972

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                            Richter … throwing all caution to the winds...


                            Not much caution shown from 19’43…

                            (and less splashy than in Kiev earlier that year, 1965)

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                            • Alison
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6474

                              #29


                              Some Brendelian insights here

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
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                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6964

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                                https://youtu.be/Wj3HcyTo_oo

                                Not much caution shown from 19’43…

                                (and less splashy than in Kiev earlier that year, 1965)
                                That accented snap he gets on the demisemiquaver triplets creates an amazing sense of forward momentum (not just the speed at which he plays it)

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